Google continues the war against their own users.
Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
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Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Less than 1% of the users are going to both hear about and understand those instructions. 2. Google can say >99% of users "prefer" the new setting. 3. Tighten the lock-in.
You assume that the feature will result in some net benefit for Google (at some potential expanse to users/public) but there's no such guarantee. Historically, the great Google products are made from scratch (or bought early) and stand by themselves. Their not-so-good products or features are the result of some elaborate corporate thinking that comes out under phrases like "Identity consistency between browser and co…
Why is it harmful to log in once to both apps that use the same account in the same browser?
Gmail and Calendar already share the same login. Is that hurting anyone?
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I completely switched whenever FF quantum was released to stable. The experience is amazing. I will say I think chrome dev tools are better though.
Also, last time I checked the Firefox UI uses more screen real estate, leaving a little less space for the content. The difference with chrome is small, but clearly noticeable. If Mozilla fixes this, then they have an additional user ;)
Perhaps setting the UI density to “compact” will help? I like minimal UI, but Chrome’s feels a bit too minimal. I think Firefox on compact is a perfect balance.
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
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I do the same - I use Safari for Google services (since Apple is unlikely to collude with Google), I use Chrome to browse Facebook (since Google is unlikely to collude with Facebook), and I use Firefox for actually browsing the web.
Excuse me?
Sorry, which part was confusing?
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#165It started with an older version. Logging into Google automatically linked your Google account to the settings page. At least in the last version, clearing your private data (ctrl-shift-delete) no longer deleted Google cookies. To completely log out required manually digging into the advanced settings and then rebooting the browser. Google fundamentally doesn't respect user privacy, and people should use Firefox.
I completely switched whenever FF quantum was released to stable. The experience is amazing. I will say I think chrome dev tools are better though.
To be honest, I've come to much prefer FF's devtools. You might want to take a look at [Firefox Developer Edition](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/), it adds quite a few nice features that are helpful for development. [This article](https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/new-in-firefox-61-develope...) is a bit old, but a good look at the type of stuff that it adds.
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#166This is just a grab at getting more user data. Where are all the Google employees who jump on any mention of Google to defend it with disclosures?
How is it more data? This only affects people who choose to set up Google accounts and then log in to them.
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#167It started with an older version. Logging into Google automatically linked your Google account to the settings page. At least in the last version, clearing your private data (ctrl-shift-delete) no longer deleted Google cookies. To completely log out required manually digging into the advanced settings and then rebooting the browser. Google fundamentally doesn't respect user privacy, and people should use Firefox.
Intuitively, I use chrome only for non google pages and FF for google services. Is that a good approach?
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#168ungoogled-chromium is what I use https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
Absolutely, takes a while to compile from source but it's worth it.
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#169Maybe create a profile just for Gmail and other Google stuff? (I do this for Facebook.)
Or multiple profiles if you also have a work account.
For your main profile, don't log into Google at all.
Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
You assume that the feature will result in some net benefit for Google (at some potential expanse to users/public) but there's no such guarantee. Historically, the great Google products are made from scratch (or bought early) and stand by themselves. Their not-so-good products or features are the result of some elaborate corporate thinking that comes out under phrases like "Identity consistency between browser and co…
Why is it harmful to log in once to both apps that use the same account in the same browser? Gmail and Calendar already share the same login. Is that hurting anyone?
Multiple users may use the same browser/devices but different Gmail accounts.
Even ignoring the (many) privacy implications, this causes problems for syncing across devices. Lets say I share a computer with my partner, but we have separate phones. Should I need to check which Gmail account is logged in before bookmarking something? Why can't we share a Chrome profile across those 3 devices while still maintaining separate Gmail accounts?