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Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by l0b0 »

r721 wrote: post #54

"Google calls the feature "Identity consistency between browser and cookie jar" and a Chrome representative on the official Google Chrome Help Forum confirmed that this is the intended behavior. >This is an intended behaviour if you are using the same Google Account for your Gmail and Chrome. If yes, you'll be signed out of Chrome when you signed out of Gmail account. ... Good news is that it is possible currently to…

1. Less than 1% of the users are going to both hear about and understand those instructions.

2. Google can say >99% of users "prefer" the new setting.

3. Tighten the lock-in.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by rosser »

superkuh wrote: post #74
rosser wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My choice to use gmail was made by my employer. I like my job. How am I supposed to pass, again?

Sounds like you've made your choice. A bad employer at a job you like is more important than software ethics. No need for my input here. But it is your choice.

This is the cheapest kind of hand-wavy, recriminatory internet "discourse". It's shallow, content-free, and leaves you feeling like the good guy for talking shit about other people's choices, which you've examined on exactly one axis.

I'm glad for you that you've found such a clear moral compass, but the world is, in my experience, rather subtle and complex.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by oceanstone »

prepend wrote: post #26
marssaxman wrote: post #10

This kind of chicanery is the reason I won't use Chrome for anything but browsing Facebook.

I never use chrome except with gmail and other google services where I have an account. I think there's a market for this kind of systema. I'm surprised anyone privacy minded still gets concerned about Google as they've been pretty open about everything since the launch of gmail. They give you free stuff in exchange for ads. Chrome must send data, even if you aren't signed in. Google has a shadow profile for you anyw…

Can you provide a source for the shadow profile claim?

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by rosser »

kstrauser wrote: post #73
rosser wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My choice to use gmail was made by my employer. I like my job. How am I supposed to pass, again?

Are you sure? My employer uses gmail, which I access via Mail.app exclusively. I bet I open the web app maybe once or twice a year, usually by clicking a link in a calendar event. It's perfectly possibly to use gmail-the-service without using gmail-the-app.

I find Mail.app to have a terrible UX, but I did try it, thanks.

My standing solution is to use one browser to log into big-G services, another to log into FB, and a third for everything else.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by Androider »

Once again G Suite customers get the shaft.

I have a personal Gmail account, and a business G Suite account, and this change makes working with the two accounts a complete pain. All my years of Chrome bookmarks/settings/etc. are associated with my personal account, so I want the browser itself to always be logged in with that identity. But I want to be logged into my business G Suite email account "by default" when I hit gmail.com, when I open Google Analytics, Drive etc. so I don't have to use the account picker a hundred times a day. It just doesn't seem possible. Argh.

I wonder if Google employee accounts were to be considered business G Suite-like instead of consumer Gmail like, all these kinds of problems that constantly keep popping up for G Suite customers wouldn't be fixed overnight.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by blfr »

Androider wrote: post #85

Once again G Suite customers get the shaft. I have a personal Gmail account, and a business G Suite account, and this change makes working with the two accounts a complete pain. All my years of Chrome bookmarks/settings/etc. are associated with my personal account, so I want the browser itself to always be logged in with that identity. But I want to be logged into my business G Suite email account "by default" when I…

The most straightforward solution is to create a separate Chrome user/profile for your work account. It's a great way to keep your private and organizational accounts completely separate. You can even sync all Chrome settings, extensions, and bookmars though the company account if they allow you to use your own devices.

Unlike Firefox (major pain point btw), you can run Chrome with multiple profiles at once, each in a separate window.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by epicide »

superkuh wrote: post #74
rosser wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My choice to use gmail was made by my employer. I like my job. How am I supposed to pass, again?

Sounds like you've made your choice. A bad employer at a job you like is more important than software ethics. No need for my input here. But it is your choice.

> A bad employer at a job you like is more important than software ethics.

Using gmail doesn't automatically make them a bad employer. That is incredibly shallow and naive.

This mentality does nothing to help "software ethics" since it forces people to make an extremely unrealistic choice. I wouldn't expect anybody to quit their job over their employer using gmail. You're just pitting more people against the idea of standing up for software ethics by making it about extremes.

It is akin to telling someone, after an oil spill, that they don't care about the planet since they didn't immediately sell their car to quit buying gas.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by qrbLPHiKpiux »

Androider wrote: post #85

Once again G Suite customers get the shaft. I have a personal Gmail account, and a business G Suite account, and this change makes working with the two accounts a complete pain. All my years of Chrome bookmarks/settings/etc. are associated with my personal account, so I want the browser itself to always be logged in with that identity. But I want to be logged into my business G Suite email account "by default" when I…

I have 2 accounts on my machine. One personal, one work. I’ll admit, I watch things on my personal machine (pornography) that I would not want mixed, even remotely, with my work stuff. Compartmentation.

Re: Tell HN: Using Gmail? You will be force logged into Chrome

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Post by superkuh »

rosser wrote: post #82
superkuh wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you've made your choice. A bad employer at a job you like is more important than software ethics. No need for my input here. But it is your choice.

This is the cheapest kind of hand-wavy, recriminatory internet "discourse". It's shallow, content-free, and leaves you feeling like the good guy for talking shit about other people's choices, which you've examined on exactly one axis. I'm glad for you that you've found such a clear moral compass, but the world is, in my experience, rather subtle and complex.

I didn't mean to come across as "talking shit". I think almost all people (myself included) would prioritize their job over software ethics if forced into that situation.

But, what do you use for personal email? To avoid these kinds of issues I've been running my own mailserver for about 5 years.

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