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Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by lxmorj »

bb88 wrote: post #19
davemp wrote: post #13

I’m of the opinion that identification should be the individual’s choice, ie supplying credentials. When organizations gain the ability to identify without consent, the door is opened for some very malicious practices.

The argument for public safety though has been pretty overwhelming. Britain just scored a big win in the novichok poisoning case by being able to trace the movements of Russian operatives using cameras. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/world/europe/russia-uk-no... This trend will continue as long as the wins are bigger than the abuses.

This is a trap. You can't just say "well the wins are worth it at the moment" and not consider what happens when someone else - possibly with antithetical values to yours - inherits that power.

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by pletnes »

bb88 wrote: post #19
davemp wrote: post #13

I’m of the opinion that identification should be the individual’s choice, ie supplying credentials. When organizations gain the ability to identify without consent, the door is opened for some very malicious practices.

The argument for public safety though has been pretty overwhelming. Britain just scored a big win in the novichok poisoning case by being able to trace the movements of Russian operatives using cameras. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/world/europe/russia-uk-no... This trend will continue as long as the wins are bigger than the abuses.

Catching one russian spy? That’s not even worth the hardware cost of the cameras installed in the UK.

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by jacobush »

UncleEntity wrote: post #15
jacobush wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR is an attempt to grab some of the power back to the individual.

> GDPR is an attempt to grab some of the power back to the individual. ...and an attempt to grab some of the money from American corporations to the EU with billion euro fines. https://www.targetmarketingmag.com/article/gdpr-lawsuits-tar...

So, is this a bad thing or a good thing?

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by sgroppino »

abecedarius wrote: post #18

> In twenty years, at current rates of progress, it will be feasible for the Chinese government to use face recognition to track the public movements of everyone in the country. When this note was published in 2001, I didn't expect the tech to become that good that fast. I was wrong. (Not that I thought it wouldn't happen, just that there'd be more time.)

Every breath you take, every move you make... I'll be watching you. Oh can't you see? You belong to me... The Police

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by craftyguy »

_8j50 wrote: post #11
ta_egdhs wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the conventional wisdom states, China is the future. There will come a time when us Westerners will need VPNs as well.

That time was like 10yrs ago...

What Western nations are doing is absolutely nowhere close to the Great Firewall of China.

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by yardie »

UncleEntity wrote: post #15
jacobush wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR is an attempt to grab some of the power back to the individual.

> GDPR is an attempt to grab some of the power back to the individual. ...and an attempt to grab some of the money from American corporations to the EU with billion euro fines. https://www.targetmarketingmag.com/article/gdpr-lawsuits-tar...

Yes, when you’re a trillion dollar company a billion dollar fine drives home the point.

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by UncleEntity »

jacobush wrote: post #23
UncleEntity wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> GDPR is an attempt to grab some of the power back to the individual. ...and an attempt to grab some of the money from American corporations to the EU with billion euro fines. https://www.targetmarketingmag.com/article/gdpr-lawsuits-tar...

So, is this a bad thing or a good thing?

Well, when they were talking about it becoming fully active not too long ago there was a lot of talk of fines being "the last resort" after warnings and whatnot -- then you have multi-billion euro lawsuits on the very first day the regulators could go after the corporations.

Re: Your Face Is Not a Bar Code (2003)

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Post by davemp »

cpt1138 wrote: post #16
davemp wrote: post #13

I’m of the opinion that identification should be the individual’s choice, ie supplying credentials. When organizations gain the ability to identify without consent, the door is opened for some very malicious practices.

Can you explain this? I’ve always been of the opinion that some solutions proposed over the years have tried to do this but fail because the trusted entity is unknown a priori. I don’t see how you can invent a trust model that is basically “trust me the user and whatever choices I have made.”

No trust model is going to be perfect, but this type of solution has already seen widespread success with: drivers licenses, event tickets, username+password, etc.
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