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Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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However, there are downsides to this. To compete with Jio. All the carriers have massively decreased the prices to match Jio. This has increased congestion in all metro areas. Things don't work when I most need it. I cannot book an Uber in the middle of the city. The uber drivers struggle to get the navigation right. I sometimes hear "All channels occupied" error when I'm calling. I never knew such an error existed.…

That caused increase in non synchronous communication such as WhatsApp.

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The average quota is 1.5GB/day (for the latest recharge, they provided 3gb/day). That's a lot ! Some side effects of Jio have been : 1. average media consumption per user, specifically video(youtube, netflix, amazon prime) has gone up drastically 2. voip calls(audio & video calls on whatsapp, telegram) have gone up drastically ! 3. A lot of users, especially youngsters i know, dont download content anymore, they stre…

The real intention is to earn by selling data centre bandwidth to internet applications provider such as Google and Facebook when India government make it compulsory for them to have indian user data inside Indian border, this is the direction where both Jio and government are slowly moving, if you read recent news on indian news sites and read between the line.

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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I'm not a fan of Jio for multiple reasons.

Firstly, it used to insist on Aadhaar (the resident ID linked with biometrics) to provide a connection. I'm not sure if that has changed in the recent times and if it accepts other documents.

Secondly, as someone else pointed out here, Jio is an unsustainable model. While the prices charged by other telecoms/ISPs could go down a bit, what Jio is doing is creating a bloodbath where everyone sinks, including Jio. Jio already has huge debts. I don't think that bodes well for consumers, and would negatively affect how much things can improve in the coming years. This could result in a deep and long stagnation once all companies have no money and have huge debts. After all, telecom is a capital intensive business, combined with the operational expenses that are more specific to the Indian scenario (and not applicable in some developed economies) — like a competitor cutting the cables of another provider in a area and creating a mass outage, roads being dug without warning or planning to lay cables and not repaired later (sometimes resulting in fines to the company), etc.

Lastly, Jio is from Reliance, a big conglomerate that has a reputation of being unethical in many ways. [1] This may be considered as being compensated by some of the good that has been done by the company, but it still cannot be completely ignored. The 2007 Hindi movie "Guru" [2] is a fictionalized depiction of the beginnings of Reliance and about Dhirubhai Ambani (the founder).

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_Industries#Scams

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_(2007_film)

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Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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For 80$ per month in Canada: - Unlimited call + texts - 6GB per month And this is considered a good deal

> And this is considered a good deal No it's not. There are tons of cheaper plans out there from cheaper carriers like Public Mobile/Koodo/Fido and etc. You just have to look up for them. I used to pay 40 for 4GB/month and now I am at 12GB/month for 55. Still not cheap, but not as bad as what you are saying.

I used to live near vancouver area, Fido/Koodo don't have good coverage, my university in Burnaby had 0 coverage for these networks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you have a valid point in there, but it's not ok to fulminate like this on HN, so can you please not? I feel like we asked you this many times before and then you fixed it, so it would be good not to backslide. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Out of topic, out of curiosity: Is one person behind this profile? Do multiple people share the login info? During my years of HN usage, I don't remember ever seeing another username enforcing the rules, only yours.

Just me. It would feel a bit icky to have multiple persons behind the same handle.

As icebraining pointed out, sctb is the other moderator who posts publicly. https://news.ycombinator.com/posts?id=sctb.

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I live in USA but I am of Indian origin. My parents' apartment in India now has Fiber Internet with 80Mbps at 1000INR (15USD)/month. On my recent travel (Aug 2018), I had Jio and was working remotely. It is so cheap to get Jio. I had 0 issues and I was praising the Internet situation in India for the first time in the last decade. Seriously, good changes in Internet situation. The top challenges for me right now to m…

> lnkmails 6 hours ago | parent | on: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet –...

I live in USA but I am of Indian origin. My parents' apartment in India now has Fiber Internet with 80Mbps at 1000INR (15USD)/month. On my recent travel (Aug 2018), I had Jio and was working remotely. It is so cheap to get Jio. I had 0 issues and I was praising the Internet situation in India for the first time in the last decade. Seriously, good changes in Internet situation. The top challenges for me right now to move back there are 1. Rampant corruption in state government offices (especially with land registrations, legal heir certificates) 2. Extreme levels of sanitation/drainage issues even in metros 3. Personal indiscipline of the people. There is now some transparency because of digital transformation/e-governance. I think in a decade, (1) and (2) will be addressed. It will take miracles to fix

Great points.

About 1: What you see is actually a massive improvement from last decade. National level corruption is so low (low, not gone completely) as compared to last year, its incredibly liberating

About 2: Again, so much better than last decade. You can ask your parents if they feel India has changed way beyond what they've lived through. Especially in Tier 1 cities which are almost western but with Indian tinge

About 3: I think that is just the way of life in India. This will not go away soon. Come to think of it, I don't think it needs to. This is part of culture and the indiscipline allows for innovative folks to capitalize and make money with improved efficiencies in Jugaad

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The impact of Jio is enormous. I travelled to certain villages where there are no roads.. there are not even proper bus facilities but inside the “huts” folks have 4G internet and wifi hot spots and i streamed netflix. I couldn’t believe myself.

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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However, there are downsides to this. To compete with Jio. All the carriers have massively decreased the prices to match Jio. This has increased congestion in all metro areas. Things don't work when I most need it. I cannot book an Uber in the middle of the city. The uber drivers struggle to get the navigation right. I sometimes hear "All channels occupied" error when I'm calling. I never knew such an error existed.…

How do you really define a primary connection? Nowadays, most people I know, call from their Jio SIM and I can them on the same number. I believe their previous number is just there for legacy reasons. Most of the communication now happens over JIO. I am myself looking to switch my 10-year-old number from Airtel to Jio, and I have a single sim iPhone.

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Jio has enabled a digital revolution, just like Reliance Infocomm did by making all incoming calls free back in 2005 I think. Jio has also made sure that my youtube homepage is filled with soft porn. It is an absolute scourge. WhatsApp rumour mongering has increased a lot with lynchings happening based on the fact that law and order can’t keep up pace with technology. I also see that lots of unemployed people now are…

Can you back up that lynching/WhatsApp with some numbers or statistics? Riots used to happen left and right in India for before 90's. A famous politician or actor died, a politician resigned or doing protest, religious demonstrations etc. Lot of the city will be closed. This situation got a lot better after economic liberalization and what followed. Is there a reversal to this trend that you are talking about? https:…

First, regarding the tweet you posted: It ignores the recent years. There are still local maximas in that graph. Second, it only concerns riots and leaves out any other type of violence. But that will be more clear upon how the author interprets 'riots'. It is just a graph without any explanation. Third, I could not find source of the data myself, as the graph is not from a peer reviewed journal so it can be easily discarded. Fourth, tweet is from a person who serves in the current government aka it is like Sarah Sanders, a vested interest always defending the government.

Communal violence under Modi has increased, even if it is a local maxima but their rhetoric is acerbic towards minorities and it shows. Now onto the communal violence sources:-

1. http://ksr.hkspublications.org/2016/07/27/the-rising-tide-of...

2. https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/co...

3. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

WhatsApp specific lynchings:

1. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/16/asia/india-whatsapp-lynch...

2. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-18/lynch-mob...

3. https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/india-dont-bla...

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