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Re: Popular iPhone apps caught sending user location data to monetization firms

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What ISP attaches your home address to your IP?

Well, most of them (they have an install address), but in their private data. I think maybe what's being implied is that some ISPs might sell that data...

I don't think it even needs to be the ISP, if you buy something from a online shop that then sells your information on then that information has leaked.

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Well maybe apps like Facebook (=Instagram), Apple Weather, Gmaps will "only" use your data internally, but they also make most of their money from ads. So yes, all our data is always used to target ads, political campaigns and "viral" marketing campaigns at us. Where is the surprise in that? If you asked 2007 software engineering student me, I would've told you back then. That was the point in time where this work started. Nowadays everybody is doing it themselves or selling the data one way or another.

Don't you know that also this very post will be grabbed by multiple people and companies and analysed to death by their algorithms to maybe squeeze out another bit of information that they then try to link to me as a person in some way?

So if you sit there wondering "does the app X that I'm using does that?" then the answer is yes, because everybody is doing it.

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I asked a network info app developer why it's not possible to at least track and control network connections on iOS, like Little Snitch does (or did) for MacOS. "iOS doesn't support that". Well, duh? I don't even know what to think. Knowing where the iOS device connects to will be a huge help "cracking down" on BS apps! And then I read in the comments that it might be virtually impossible for Apple to detect maliciou…

It's easy to figure out what an iOS device is connecting to: use a network extension that inspects network traffic. And given that Apple has none of the restrictions they impose on third party developers, they can essentially do what Little Snitch does on macOS.

A good overview of that API here: https://kean.github.io/post/network-extensions-into

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I bet Apple will crack down on these location tracking SDKs, but it likely wouldn't eliminate this type of tracking. The main reason these apps are getting caught is because they are blatantly including the SDKs of the monetization firms in their client apps, and transparently sending data directly to the servers of those firms. But what's to stop a weather app from just doing it server-side, so it's undetectable to…

The firms would then have a much harder time knowing if the information is genuinely from end users, if they no longer collect directly from user devices.

Basically, the scoundrels don't trust other scoundrels. That's what's saving us from getting server-rendered first-party ads on most websites, that would make adblocking much more difficult.

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I am really hoping that one day we can legislate respect for privacy and be able to use mass produced widely available hardware and software. A solution for a few outliers doesn’t really influence the big picture. I am very interested in what individuals/institutions support privacy at scale. I am aware of the EFF. Who else?

The EFF is just astroturfing, https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine >A solution for a few outliers doesn’t really influence the big picture. There's nothing stopping anyone from buying a Purism 5. If someone doesn't care about their privacy, they don't deserve it. Freedom isn't free, and all that.

>There's nothing stopping anyone from buying a Purism 5

Apart from the fact that it doesn't actually exist yet.

Not to mention it's already a badly specced phone commanding top dollar being made by a small company that could easily go broke in a year.

I'm all for what they are trying to achieve and really hope they succeed, but history is full of privacy phones that have failed spectacularly.

For half the price I could get a flagship Xiaomi, flash LineageOS on it and have a completely degoogled high quality Android phone likely supported for most of the next decade.

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No surprise to see a number of weather apps on here. Seems to be such an incredibly scummy category. The built in Apple app is fine for basic information. There are plenty of high-quality third-party apps. Weather Line (my fav) is $2. DarkSky is $4. Instead people go for these weird free apps covered in ads with terrible UIs. The NOAA one isn’t made by the government, seems like using that name should be some kind of…

I just think that installing a weather app in general is stupid. I just dont see the actual need to have one installed for the vast majority of people. Systems need weather apps/information: ships/boats, planes, etc... Your phone does not. Nor your desktop. There was a ship that was getting delayed weather information [0] and it sank and people died - and so its clearly important to track weather on ships and plans a…

“Read the weather off Google” is weird advice in a thread about companies collecting user data, given that no one does more of that than Google.

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