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Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

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The margins are just too low on these, hell a decent copy writer is going to cost you half of that if not more. If it needs to have a polished look add a graphics person to that. And that's just to get all of the creative done. I just don't see how on the thin margin of $200 to $500 it can be done. Even with offshore labor the onshore management would eat it up to the point that it would not have a value proposition…

First of all, this market would never hire a copy writer. They would throw some of their own words together. Hell, I don't even think this market knows what copy writing is. You illustrated an excellent point though: It took 3 hours to teach someone how to use a "teach yourself" product. Amazing!

My point was this request always comes with, I want professional services on a shoestring. They want you to build Facebook for $500. Facebook required a professional graphics team and a professional marketing team that has copywriters. That is before you ever get to code. My point is they expect Champagne on a beer budget.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#22

I am either giving up a huge secret or revealing how little I actually value my time... You guys are giving up a huge opportunity. It is easy to make a thousand or more per week from these types of jobs. A thousand isn't a lot, but it is easily done in a few hours. If they are paying commodity prices, then you give them a commodity. The key? Boiler - Plate. Have a standard contract. Have a standard website theme, per…

I tried something similar. I designed websites for five local restaurants, all at the same time, then SEO'd them into top positions on Google. Then I went door to door to each restaurant and showed them the websites, live online. The restaurant owners wouldn't need to do anything. They could assume possession of the website that very day (I would only need to change some pictures and change the website name from "You…

>"Lesson: Let people come to you. Let them have the need first."

That is not the lesson your experience. The lesson is the make sure there is demand before putting in a ton of time, especially when you're going to be bitter about it later.

Your project was doomed from the start.

You committed the time to build 5 websites and SEO them to the top spot before you had any demand.

If you had waited until a restuarant actually wanted a website, and then realized that even a small application can be made in a few hours for a few $hundred, then you may have had better results. Pre-emptively making websites or scripts is the opposite of what I've suggested.

So the next lesson is to not do work before getting paid (unless it is also a hobby - like building a database class that you will use in freelance projects).

I would have also approached selling the websites differently. Showing someone a website you're trying to sell them and then finishing with "I just need to change some pictures and stuff" isn't that compelling. You have 5 websites. Customize one for each restuarant you're talking to. They pass? Change it up with different pictures and titles. Let the customer see what they're buying, not some representation. This is more time consuming, but it will help sales. You already sunk time to designing, building, and SEOing the sites, so an additional unpaid 20 minutes probably won't hurt you too much.

Also you can't just assume why people didn't buy the websites. You should have done some random calling after the fact to determine why people weren't buying. But I will throw out a few ideas on that too.

You approached restaurants trying to sell them a commodity without knowing what they want. They could have not bought because of the price, because they didn't like the colors, they were intimidated by it's complexity, underwhelmed by its simplicity, or because they didn't think they needed a website (you really need to be making calls).

When someone comes to you with a budget and a need for a website, you are in a position of power. You can dictate more terms. Building a random websie without requirements or a scope and then approaching people takes the power out of your hands.

Finally, there are thousands of companies that don't have a website because they don't know how to make one or think they cost tens of thousands of dollars. These are the types of companies you can be trying to advertise to (but not cold call/approach).

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, this market would never hire a copy writer. They would throw some of their own words together. Hell, I don't even think this market knows what copy writing is. You illustrated an excellent point though: It took 3 hours to teach someone how to use a "teach yourself" product. Amazing!

My point was this request always comes with, I want professional services on a shoestring. They want you to build Facebook for $500. Facebook required a professional graphics team and a professional marketing team that has copywriters. That is before you ever get to code. My point is they expect Champagne on a beer budget.

I would go even further and say, they're expecting Cristal for the price of tap water.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#24
So I'm going to be brutally honest with you...I was a freelance web designer in college and I completely agree with what you're saying. The trouble is, the solution is already out there...

www.vistaprint.com/websites.aspx

DISCLAIMER: Yes, I work for them, and yes I built that page. But you guys aren't our market (too savvy) so I posted it because you probably didn't even know we made websites.

If I were still a freelancer THAT would scare me. The price point is exactly in the budget of your stereotyped user - $200 is like the price of the PROFESSIONAL package, you could go even cheaper for the simplest stuff. As SHOwnsYou pointed out, paying commodity prices is using boilerplate, and that is EXACTLY what we use...there's no magic tricks here: we make it easy for non-technical baby boomers and older (the LEAST tech savvy) to have a website at a price they can afford. The UI is simple enough for a 40-yr-old business owner to make a site. And to the point of the original poster, yeah we are capitalizing on a booming market.

I think the problem is that people want what they can't have: a beautiful looking site at a great price. As I said, speaking frankly, you get what you pay for with our templates. I would never have created those templates and called them my work as a freelancer, but I think the HN community of aesthetically-seasoned designers/developers/entrepreneurs generally forgets that the overwhelming majority has NO IDEA what good design is like and truly DOESN'T need it. This is perhaps the BIGGEST lesson I've learned about business, and truly echoes the sentiments of the greatest creed in marketing, "KNOW YOUR TARGET MARKET."

I guess in the end, the problem from a web designer is that they refuse to produce commodity work, and justifiably raises their rates, when they COULD be making money hand-over-fist if they just kept a slew of simple, cheap templates and just did the labor of porting them to a website for their customers and charging next to nothing. Each transaction would seem like peanuts to most freelancers, and they would feel like they aren't earning anything, but this is a numbers game, and the numbers don't lie.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#25
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In my opinion, SquareSpace (and others) is missing the boat by not having a white-label system for web developers to resell their services invisibly. People pay web devs because they don't want to take the TIME to learn it and do it themselves. The reason people offer $200 is because they really want to pay someone for 8 hours of work for $200, it has NOTHING to do with web design. If you are starting a candy store,…

Aren't all the web developers just white-labelling WordPress these days?

On the money part, you're right. Small businesses that are used to paying their staff For some reason, devs aren't in the same mindspace to these potential clients as lawyers, dentists and architects.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#26
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, this market would never hire a copy writer. They would throw some of their own words together. Hell, I don't even think this market knows what copy writing is. You illustrated an excellent point though: It took 3 hours to teach someone how to use a "teach yourself" product. Amazing!

My point was this request always comes with, I want professional services on a shoestring. They want you to build Facebook for $500. Facebook required a professional graphics team and a professional marketing team that has copywriters. That is before you ever get to code. My point is they expect Champagne on a beer budget.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Facebook never had copywriters. You live in a stratified branding world my friend.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried something similar. I designed websites for five local restaurants, all at the same time, then SEO'd them into top positions on Google. Then I went door to door to each restaurant and showed them the websites, live online. The restaurant owners wouldn't need to do anything. They could assume possession of the website that very day (I would only need to change some pictures and change the website name from "You…

>"Lesson: Let people come to you. Let them have the need first." That is not the lesson your experience. The lesson is the make sure there is demand before putting in a ton of time, especially when you're going to be bitter about it later. Your project was doomed from the start. You committed the time to build 5 websites and SEO them to the top spot before you had any demand. If you had waited until a restuarant actu…

I knew the risks I was taking, but I took them anyway. I thought a pre-built, pre-ranking website would be a sweet offer, but I was off.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#28
Every project has overheads, and when you squeeze the budget very low, the overheads can outweigh the budget itself.

Websites require a lot of communication as overhead - and cheap labor will only get you so far.

Considering the ONLY value proposition you will be providing is 'price', its a difficult business model. Any business with extremely tight margins and price as their only competitive point is an uphill battle.

Keep in mind the service you will be providing will generally be poor - because your price is low, you need to keep customer service time to a minimum - leading to a poor service.

Its better to reject these clients, rather than try to adopt them.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#29
When we started Webvanta (a hosted CMS), we spent quite a bit of time talking with small business owners, understanding their web needs, and trying to figure out if we could provide them with a "do it yourself" solution.

Our conclusion was that, for the vast majority of small business people, there is no such thing as a do-it-yourself solution that is going to yield a quality site. They need help with their writing, marketing strategy, and approach, even if all the technical issues go away. And most of them need help with email marketing, social media, and so forth.

For the $200 customer, they're just going to have to figure it out on their own, using something like Wix, or Weebly, or -- if they have a little budget -- SquareSpace, GoDaddy Website Tonight, or Intuit Sites, or something like that.

For anyone who wants a quality site, and wants to have an effective Internet marketing strategy, they should hire someone to help them. That someone typically goes by the name "web designer", but a good one is as much a marketing consultant as a designer.

Typically, this is going to cost at least 10 times the $200 figure, but that's life. Most business people undervalue design and undervalue the web, and that's what needs to change if they are going to use it effectively.

So with the Webvanta hosted CMS (www.webvanta.com), we have focused on serving professional web designers, to give them a powerful tool they can use to deliver great sites to their clients. We did not attempt to make it easy for a business owner to create their own site; instead, we made it easy for a designer to create a great site, and for the business owner to then be able to add content and maintain the site.

Re: I need someone to build my website. My budget is $200 and I need it ASAP.

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Lesson: Let people come to you. Let them have the need first." That is not the lesson your experience. The lesson is the make sure there is demand before putting in a ton of time, especially when you're going to be bitter about it later. Your project was doomed from the start. You committed the time to build 5 websites and SEO them to the top spot before you had any demand. If you had waited until a restuarant actu…

I knew the risks I was taking, but I took them anyway. I thought a pre-built, pre-ranking website would be a sweet offer, but I was off.

Benchmark, are you still designing websites?
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