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Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #108

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Not sure for a standard line but the record is "1100 kV voltage, a 3,000 km (1,900 mi) length and 12 GW of power". So presumably 11,000 amps or so for that one. I guess you can have as much current as you want by making the cable thicker. Being built in China here approx https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Guquan,+Putuo,+Zhoushan,+C... It's quite an impressive looking thing (vid) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2KfrP…

so transporting 1 TW would be a hundred of those in parallel

I guess something like that. Probably beefier pylons and more cable on them.

Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure for a standard line but the record is "1100 kV voltage, a 3,000 km (1,900 mi) length and 12 GW of power". So presumably 11,000 amps or so for that one. I guess you can have as much current as you want by making the cable thicker. Being built in China here approx https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Guquan,+Putuo,+Zhoushan,+C... It's quite an impressive looking thing (vid) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2KfrP…

so transporting 1 TW would be a hundred of those in parallel

Yeah, but the average EU power consumption today is 0.35 TW, so with only a hundred of those in parallel (more likely spread around the Europe) you could literally satisfy 100% of EU power demand, and still have plenty of spare capacity.

Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #92

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Heat transfer, though, is based on temperature differentials - if Miami is +7degrees every day of the year, and Phoenix is +20degrees only 117 days per year, the energy demands of Phoenix for cooling could very easily be much higher (energy lost through walls, roof would be much higher, as would mass transfer of energy when doors open.) This is irrespective of local construction. Add to this, radiative gain (insolati…

No. No no. Heat conduction rate is linear in response to the temperature difference [1], so 1 day of 20 degrees difference should give the same total heat loss as 2 days of 10 degrees difference. They also both give 20 degree days, so degree days is the correct measure and should correlate linearly with the energy needed for heating or cooling. The same goes for the heat content in the air that is exchanged due to dr…

Right, thank you for the correction. I was mistaken about the conduction. I'm not sure why I was thinking it was something other than linear. So degree days should account fairly closely for the conductive heat transfer through walls.

I think my comment about mass transfer when opening doors could maaaybe be defensible but I'll leave it alone :)

Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #111

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so transporting 1 TW would be a hundred of those in parallel

I guess something like that. Probably beefier pylons and more cable on them.

could submarine power cables in the Medeterranian sea be thinner since the water keeps the cable cool?

Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #111

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I guess something like that. Probably beefier pylons and more cable on them.

could submarine power cables in the Medeterranian sea be thinner since the water keeps the cable cool?

Dunno - bit beyond me that one.

Re: Modeled impact of large-scale wind and solar farms in the Sahara

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post #73

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Miami can only be considered "hottest" because it never gets cold and you consider the average. It actually spends a long time near room temperature. Somewhere like Las Vegas or Phoenix gets both hotter and colder. If we arbitrarily pick 70F as room temperature, Miami has a typical annual high/low spread of approximately 60F-90F or -10 to +20 degrees relative to room temperature. Meanwhile, Minneapolis has a typical…

You should look at section 2.2 in the article. Miami has more cooling degree days (2423) per year than Phoenix (2327) or Las Vegas (1786).

My main intention when I started responding was to point out the much larger winter heating differential in the north, in response to the discussion about heating versus cooling costs and efficiency. I am not sure why I got distracted about Miami versus Phoenix and inserted that before posting.

My experience living for a few years in a tropical country was that locals acclimate and do not cool nor dehumidify their living spaces nearly as much as many Americans seem to do. Much like in Florida, you will see people running around in jackets or even knit hats on slightly cooler days when someone from a colder climate would already think it is warm and time for shorts.

I think it is difficult to compare different regions with different climates and cultures. It seems impossible to me to choose a metric that isn't inherently biasing the analysis towards one arbitrary normative standard. Compare similar regions or one region year-to-year to evaluate the efficiency of local practices.

Edit: another issue is the daily cycle. You can use thermal mass to smooth out daily temperature extremes but that doesn't work when you spend weeks or months with temperature differentials that remain offset from comfortable.

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