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>>The Google Campus is intended to be a magnet for annoying young entrepreneurs whose IT-sweatshops (“start-ups”) promise to deliver new ideas to Google’s company business. Those are some pretty emotional words, but show how much in a bubble we tech people might live. Curious if anyone knows more about the movement behind this, I doubt it's a majority opinion of the public?
occupation is over, the police arrested a few of the occupiers, there are reports that a person was injured in the process. Source: Our office is in the same building.
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Always in Berlin the knee jerk response to what is going on "We have to keep the rents down!" in response to housing crisis....never "We have to raise pays!" Pay situation for many jobs in Berlin and to some extent most of Germany is just abysmal, even in tech in many cases. If people here put half the energy in fighting for fairer remuneration for their work rather than whining about the raising rent and property pr…
Part of the German economic success story has been keeping housing cheap, so they can keep pay down, so they can export. As soon as housing prices rise, pay rises, and the story falls apart.
In recent years (decades, actually), we seem to have dropped the ball in the counter-centralisation game, maybe as a consequence of reunification.
> ...to fight against the skyrocketing rents and to open up the space for something better. They lost me right there. If they want to fight skyrocketing rents they should push for more housing. If they wanted the space to be used for something else they should have bought or rented it themselves. Protesting Google does nothing to change these.
So you're saying that because my neighbor has much more money than I he can behave however he pleases even if the whole neighborhood despises him?
> New tech companies are driving the rents up in the area higher and higher. The endpoint of this process can be seen in San Francisco, which once must have been a halfway livable city. This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists who work hard to prevent new housing from going up. Yes, tech companies brought the demand because of good jobs, but last I checked, we wanted companies to offer high payin…
> This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists who work hard to prevent new housing from going up. I wonder if the supply-and-demand model you're referring to is insufficient in this scenario. It sounds like political factors are at play here as well.
Of course, even with liberalized zoning regulations, housing prices would still be higher than normal in SF. But they wouldn't be horrendously bad like they are now.
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These are not anarchists. Just a bunch of bully.
No true Scotsman, true? If they act like anarchists and smell like anarchists, they are anarchists. They also proudly use the squatting symbol: https://twitter.com/besetzenberlin
> New tech companies are driving the rents up in the area higher and higher. The endpoint of this process can be seen in San Francisco, which once must have been a halfway livable city. This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists who work hard to prevent new housing from going up. Yes, tech companies brought the demand because of good jobs, but last I checked, we wanted companies to offer high payin…
> This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists I don't think you quite grasp the effects of a massive influx of hundreds to thousands of new individuals making $150k-250k. It increases rent across the board, which impacts all the people in an area. Sure, it might create a few new jobs for baristas and shopkeepers, a few bartenders and waitresses. But ultimately it just leads to gentrification and pri…
Is there really a solution in your head where high-paid geeks are going to move to Boise or Zagreb or Perth[1] and be happy there vs. SF or Berlin or Sydney?
[1] Pause while residents of those places tell me how great they are.
> New tech companies are driving the rents up in the area higher and higher. The endpoint of this process can be seen in San Francisco, which once must have been a halfway livable city. This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists who work hard to prevent new housing from going up. Yes, tech companies brought the demand because of good jobs, but last I checked, we wanted companies to offer high payin…
sure we want good jobs with high salaries, but these jobs are just for a minority and they will pump up the prices in the whole area. There're lots of unemployed and people with low paying jobs in berlin, some artists, students etc. they make the city vibrant, fun, adventurous, but they can't stay if you have to pay 1200€ a month for a decent flat.
Higher-paying-than-average jobs are for a minority pretty much by definition. Do you just want to outlaw paying people different amounts of money?
> There're lots of unemployed and people with low paying jobs in berlin, some artists, students etc. they make the city vibrant, fun, adventurous, but they can't stay if you have to pay 1200€ a month for a decent flat.
Agreed, which is why pro-housing policies are necessary. Make it easy for the market to build reasonably-priced housing, and have the government build housing itself.
> New tech companies are driving the rents up in the area higher and higher. The endpoint of this process can be seen in San Francisco, which once must have been a halfway livable city. This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists who work hard to prevent new housing from going up. Yes, tech companies brought the demand because of good jobs, but last I checked, we wanted companies to offer high payin…
> This is more the fault of NIMBYs and supply&demand-denialists I don't think you quite grasp the effects of a massive influx of hundreds to thousands of new individuals making $150k-250k. It increases rent across the board, which impacts all the people in an area. Sure, it might create a few new jobs for baristas and shopkeepers, a few bartenders and waitresses. But ultimately it just leads to gentrification and pri…
1. Not create good jobs
2. Collude to pay lower wages to ensure they align with regional prevailing wages.
3. Build out their own employee-only housing complexes?
4. Do the govts job and plan and build housing and set building and planning policies which align with the economics?
I understand people want their cake and eat it, but they have to be reasonable. Tax appropriately, govern apptopriately.
occupation is over, the police arrested a few of the occupiers, there are reports that a person was injured in the process. Source: Our office is in the same building.
Is this part of the Beta House complex?
The Betahaus is here, maybe 5 minutes by bike https://www.google.com/maps/place/Betahouse,+Prinzessinnenst...