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Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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Ireland

EUR70 first year (100 after) * 1000/100mbit fiber to home (live 20 miles outside small 3rd rate city, in middle of rural Ireland) * Unlimited calls and texts (Ireland and UK) for home phone, and 20GB/month 4G data for bundled mobile sim (got phone separately previously) * i didnt bother with tv bundled into this, freesat is free ,have netflix etc separately

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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The Arnold Carnegie of India. Mr Carnegie funded hundreds of public libraries around the USA in the 1800s. He was a rags to riches 19th century steel billionaire in modern valuations.I have read dozens of testimonials of how small town middle class children use their libraries to enter ivy league universities and onto fantastic careers. I am one of these people.

How Carnegie acquired that money is a different story. Look up the Robber Barons.

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Whoa! That's expensive. One of the reason for India's economic success in the digital age is awesome and affordable telecommunications infrastructure. You can't run a good start up ecosystem, or even a decent economic ecosystem without these things these days.

Jio is cheaper per Gigabyte, but they wouldn't let you spend all your quota in a day. That's the trick

But jio is also cheaper by a factor of 10-20. It is unbelievable pricing, they cannot be subsidizing it by 90%, and they probably don't have 90% margin initially, after including infrastructure costs.

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I live in USA but I am of Indian origin. My parents' apartment in India now has Fiber Internet with 80Mbps at 1000INR (15USD)/month. On my recent travel (Aug 2018), I had Jio and was working remotely. It is so cheap to get Jio. I had 0 issues and I was praising the Internet situation in India for the first time in the last decade. Seriously, good changes in Internet situation.

The top challenges for me right now to move back there are 1. Rampant corruption in state government offices (especially with land registrations, legal heir certificates) 2. Extreme levels of sanitation/drainage issues even in metros 3. Personal indiscipline of the people. There is now some transparency because of digital transformation/e-governance. I think in a decade, (1) and (2) will be addressed. It will take miracles to fix (3). Jio pretty much stepped up the competition and other providers are fighting hard to give good speeds. I am happy about indirect benefits of technology.

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>>All else being equal, the cellular equipment will cost the same I'm not sure where I read this. But I remember reading several years back, Airtel doesn't buy telecom equipment, it actually leases it, and pays for it as it goes. Which is why the prices were so low even for a new tech rollout like 4G. Not sure if Jio has the same model. >>Telecom infrastructure is like any other infrastructure—vastly more expensive t…

Not sure where you got such wrong information by tunnel boring machines. They are widely used and are cheap (don't believe 1 billion$ per mile some businessman sells you). Both Delhi and Mumbai have used tunnel boring machines. Indian metro cost 30-100 million dollars per mile based on property prices, number of stations, and ratio of underground/overground. Don't know the breakdown, but have read that the major cost…

>>Not sure where you got such wrong information by tunnel boring machines.

I'm not saying they don't use it. I'm saying they don't buy it. They lease it. Bangalore Metro's snail pace is largely due to inability to afford renting more TBM's.

TBM's are not cheap. Not for the budget projects like Bangalore(and other cities get) metro gets. Delhi and Mumbai are a different deal, as government spends money through a fire hose there. In fact South India pays most of the taxes and gets little in return, compared to North, which gets >1 rupee for every rupee it contributes to the exchequer.

South Indian cities are not that lucky.

One of the feedbacks that went into further phases for Bangalore Metro was to get more TBMs. They only used like 4 for the first phase, and even there one broke down and it took like months to get it fixed.

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We don't uave unlimited mobile data in Germany. I think I pay 20€ for 3GB per month.

Doesnt aldi sell unlimited sims for like 13 euro? I've lived in Hamburg now for 7 months but still use Google Fi since its also very cheap and has yet to not work in any country I go to. But I always thought you could get something SUPER cheap in Aldi.

They have a starter set for 13€ that includes sim card and 10€ credit.

They also have an XL flat rate which includes 5,5GB LTE that costs 15€/month. So you pay like 18€ in the first month and then 15€ in the following months.

This isn't bad, but I don't get O² net where I live, so I can only use Vodafone based offerings.

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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Yes, he is the game changer when it comes to bringing fast and cheap internet in India (along with unlimited calls, data, 'national roaming' etc.). Unlike some countries like US, national roaming wasn't really free in India until Jio happened. So much that it forced every other telecom company in India to have similar plans (at least close to that) even if that meant huge downfall in their profit. Such is the power o…

I have to also add, that the same parent company (Reliance) was also responsible for the mobile phone explosion[1][2] in India in 2002-03, at the very same price point. I can still remember the long queues in my hometown (pretty distant 2nd tier city) to get a hand on the Rs. 500 phone on the days before. They essentially put a mobile phone on every Indian's hands, and forced entire market prices to come down. Before that, the average handheld mobile was way out of economic reach for most Indians.

Reliance has gone through a lot of restructuring, family issues and some shady flak, but they have been the major drivers of both mobile and internet revolution in India. Interestingly, both at the same price point then (2003) and now: INR500 (USD7 at today's rates).

1: http://archives.digitaltoday.in/indiatoday/20030721/business...

2: https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/economy/story/20040105-in...

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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Jio is cheaper per Gigabyte, but they wouldn't let you spend all your quota in a day. That's the trick

But jio is also cheaper by a factor of 10-20. It is unbelievable pricing, they cannot be subsidizing it by 90%, and they probably don't have 90% margin initially, after including infrastructure costs.

Factor of 10???

China mobile Pakistan - 200 Gb package for $65

Jio - ~30 gb for $6 a month, you can't humanly consume exactly 1.5 Gb per day.

200 : 65 = ~3.1

30 : 6 = ~5

Best case scenario, 45 : 6 = 7.5

So it is twice as cheap, but not by a factor of 10

Re: Two Years Ago, India Lacked Fast, Cheap Internet – One Billionaire Changed That

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What is fascinating is that many Indians are discovering the mobile internet having never been on a desktop, or having never even had a land line. We are talking of 100s of millions of people here. Nearly 80% of internet access in India is via mobile.

It would be fascinating to see how their behaviour differs from those who have come to the internet via the normal route.

Besides the rates etc, what Jio has been able to do also is leapfrog straightaway to a pure LTE network, with no GSM at all, with VoLTE. Other providers have to maintain a legacy GSM network and also support LTE. They have gone from 0 to 215 million subscribers in just 2 years, which is incredible.

A lot of people have mentioned that Mukesh Ambani is doing this the second time - even the first launch had a major impact. At that time India had incredible high cellular rates, and the launch of Reliance Communications in early 2000s really changed the game for mobile connectivity in India. So this is the second time he has upset the apple cart.

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Are you f@cking kidding me? There is literally no excuse for companies to charge us the way they do in the west at this point.

Leaving aside the fact that Jio seems to be an Uber-like play and the prices aren’t sustainable, there are several other problems with your argument. In the west, the cost of building and maintaining telecom networks is dominated by labor costs. Jio is paying Indian wages to lay and splice backhaul fiber, or to fix a downed line, not US or German wages. And even in the US or Germany, this isn’t minimum wage work—it r…

>Jio is paying Indian wages to lay and splice backhaul fiber,

Dude. Charter Communications posted 10 billion dollars net income for 2017. They have under 100,000 employees. They could raise each of their employees' wages by $100K and still have money left over at the end of the year. It ain't the wages.

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