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Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by yAnonymous »

triviaforfun wrote: post #8

We live in an interesting time and place where China could declare war on the democratic countries in the next 5 years...let me explain. China is in a very bad situation where it has accumulated too much debt in its national and local governments, and corporations. Inflation is going through the roof - rent has increased 30% from 2017 in Beijing and other cities, and food costs are going up because of the tariffs. An…

What you described is more likely to happen in a society where citizens are used to high standards and these standards can't be maintained. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most Chinese workers only eat, sleep and work. How would you get them to the point of violent protest? It doesn't matter how bad the inflation gets when you're already at the very bottom.

Western countries are actually starting to imitate that system, because it allows for a somewhat peaceful submission of society at low living standards.

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by Eridrus »

therealtbs wrote: post #18
ryanmcdonough wrote: post #17

The fact is google are very good as managing security of their supply chain and if you’re worried about China interfering with hardware then I’m wondering where you think your phones, laptops, tv, tablets, IoT fridges are made... they are full of parts from China, almost impossible to check everything inside your laptop - however a single hardware device provided by Google?

They don't mean the Google Titan security key but rather the one that's offered to you when signing up to their advanced protection program. People in the UK are sent directly to a chinese online store which means at that point Google has no control over anything anymore.

The threat model for most people in the advanced protection program is "I'm a human rights activist and a government sent me a phishing link that looked like a Google docs login, and I'm not that careful, so I put my password in it", not "I run a backbone network that Intel agencies would love to tap and they're willing to expend lots of money/risk for that".

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by craftyguy »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #20
craftyguy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's under US jurisdiction, so it has failed at least one major attack by default.

Is anyone actually taking this serious? As if all other countries are any better. Uh, German data protection laws, yadda yadda - they didn't stop the police from raiding several activist non profit organizations a couple of months ago, with no repercussions. The "US jurisdiction"-line is just tiresome and weak. Show me the country that guards user data that isn't part of 5 eyes and where attempts of the state to gain…

You present an excellent example of a fallacy of relative privation.

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by testvox »

yAnonymous wrote: post #21
triviaforfun wrote: post #8

We live in an interesting time and place where China could declare war on the democratic countries in the next 5 years...let me explain. China is in a very bad situation where it has accumulated too much debt in its national and local governments, and corporations. Inflation is going through the roof - rent has increased 30% from 2017 in Beijing and other cities, and food costs are going up because of the tariffs. An…

What you described is more likely to happen in a society where citizens are used to high standards and these standards can't be maintained. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most Chinese workers only eat, sleep and work. How would you get them to the point of violent protest? It doesn't matter how bad the inflation gets when you're already at the very bottom. Western countries are actually starting to imitate that…

You might be correct, but that still leaves the Chinese middle class which is about the same size as the entire population of the United States.

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by theandrewbailey »

yAnonymous wrote: post #21
triviaforfun wrote: post #8

We live in an interesting time and place where China could declare war on the democratic countries in the next 5 years...let me explain. China is in a very bad situation where it has accumulated too much debt in its national and local governments, and corporations. Inflation is going through the roof - rent has increased 30% from 2017 in Beijing and other cities, and food costs are going up because of the tariffs. An…

What you described is more likely to happen in a society where citizens are used to high standards and these standards can't be maintained. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think most Chinese workers only eat, sleep and work. How would you get them to the point of violent protest? It doesn't matter how bad the inflation gets when you're already at the very bottom. Western countries are actually starting to imitate that…

If someone used to work, they have lots of time and motivation to protest. If there's lots of unemployed young men sitting around, watch out.

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by sctb »

darn wrote: post #15
triviaforfun wrote: post #8

We live in an interesting time and place where China could declare war on the democratic countries in the next 5 years...let me explain. China is in a very bad situation where it has accumulated too much debt in its national and local governments, and corporations. Inflation is going through the roof - rent has increased 30% from 2017 in Beijing and other cities, and food costs are going up because of the tariffs. An…

High IQ post, I luuv it

If you won't comment substantively we'll ban the account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by darn »

sctb wrote: post #26
darn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High IQ post, I luuv it

If you won't comment substantively we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What's the basis on which you decided parent isn't "flaming ideological/nationalistic tribal war" (your words)? So tired of you and dang's selective rule enforcement. Not that the rules themselves aren't good ones, but when you apply them only to some groups but not to others it calls in question why those rules were introduced in the first place.

Re: Why is Google selling potentially compromised Chinese security keys?

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Post by sctb »

darn wrote: post #27
sctb wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you won't comment substantively we'll ban the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What's the basis on which you decided parent isn't "flaming ideological/nationalistic tribal war" (your words)? So tired of you and dang's selective rule enforcement. Not that the rules themselves aren't good ones, but when you apply them only to some groups but not to others it calls in question why those rules were introduced in the first place.

I didn't read the parent comment and I don't know what groups you're talking about.
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