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How are labor unions institutions of robbery?

How do they get substantial benefits for their workers?

By creating a level playing field for negotiation in an environment where the one who owns the capital could otherwise dictate terms.

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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Are you joking? This is Amazon, the company where warehouse workers have to pick an item with so little time, they have to jog around the warehouse. Workers urinating in bottles because using the bathroom during non breaks = termination. Oh, and those breaks last exactly 14 minutes and 59 seconds, because anything after is Bezos' time, and you will be reprimanded. While he is one of the richest people in the world, c…

> Unions should quite obviously have formed by now. Including the eng team. But the problem with unions is that over time they are corrupted, and quickly become inefficient bureaucratic institutions. I agree with your sentiment, but the reality is far murkier than that.

Many very powerful groups benifit from people thinking that way. That does not mean unions are great just that they would get a lot of bad publicity regardless so you need to adjust for that.

My personal experience is they are a large net positive for workers, but every mistake gets heavily publicized.

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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I'm not sure this shows things got quickly worse. It may just show Whole Foods employees lost control they used to have but I think you are jumping to conclusions.

Not sure if things have gone bad for employees (not a surprise though), but as a shopper, things have definitely gone bad. Most visible one is empty shelves, which is becoming more and more frequent. Maybe they did some "optimization", doesn't help shoppers though

I was not a regular Whole Foods shopper but went into the local one the other day to get some things. I was shocked at the lack of items on the shelves.

It reminded me of when our local co-op went out of business. Staples like bread & milk weren’t available.

What is the end game on this strategy? Cause wrt the coop it was “go away forever”.

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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That's the new trend in many grocery stores. Someone on HN or Reddit mentioned that grocery charities are actually a tactic to estimate the sign of the derivative of e the customer base's grocery-discretionary income, as a hint of when to raise prices.

I always assumed the reason was to generate $XXX million in donations for a tax deduction for the grocery store chain.

I'm not a tax attorney but I don't think that's how deductions work.

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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My concern with this is that this will only accelerate the probability that Amazon Go merges with Whole Foods to have a cashier-free experience. >Shoppers, however, have saved millions as a result of the shake-up. This is why you're going to have a tough time getting sympathy from the public, and why I think (for better or worse) Amazon will win the PR battle. The average person now has access to healthier grocery /…

In Texas, anyway (where WF started), other grocery chains have been passing them by. A big part of why WF sold to Amazon is that they are getting squeezed between co-ops and chains like HEB's "Central Market" stores, which have lots of organic produce at better prices and with better public image. Trader Joe's is another chain that has been encroaching on their space. I think WF was pushing the envelope on healthier…

As a small side note, Central Market is also pushing into the online shopping model and using open source software to do it. A friend here in Dallas worked on their WooCommerce integration.

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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I'm not sure this shows things got quickly worse. It may just show Whole Foods employees lost control they used to have but I think you are jumping to conclusions.

Are you joking? This is Amazon, the company where warehouse workers have to pick an item with so little time, they have to jog around the warehouse. Workers urinating in bottles because using the bathroom during non breaks = termination. Oh, and those breaks last exactly 14 minutes and 59 seconds, because anything after is Bezos' time, and you will be reprimanded. While he is one of the richest people in the world, c…

I'm going to side with the guy who got flagged. Calling a space venture "corporatefascist", which isn't even a proper formation of a portmanteau, is so blindingly ignorant and confused on arguments, I don't know where to begin.

I guess I'll start with... how is space exploration in itself fascist?

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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I'm not sure this shows things got quickly worse. It may just show Whole Foods employees lost control they used to have but I think you are jumping to conclusions.

Are you joking? This is Amazon, the company where warehouse workers have to pick an item with so little time, they have to jog around the warehouse. Workers urinating in bottles because using the bathroom during non breaks = termination. Oh, and those breaks last exactly 14 minutes and 59 seconds, because anything after is Bezos' time, and you will be reprimanded. While he is one of the richest people in the world, c…

> throwing it away into a corporatefascist space program

Isn't it better to have some competition with the corporatefascist Musk Space and the corporatetourist Branson Space, than to not have it?

(And I am pro-union, FWIW...)

Re: Whole Foods workers seek to unionize

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ha, I had a job interview recently and they had me do a take home thing. They offered to pay me for it, just a few hundred dollars for the time I put in. That's cool. But in the email they asked if I wanted the money, or I could donate it. Right now I could use the money, but now I feel just a little bad about it.

So you replied that you'll donate the money yourself to the charity of your choosing?

Before Trump's tax law which upped the standard deduction to the point very few have the ability to deduct... a benefit of donating yourself is your can deduct it from your taxes.
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