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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by AlexCoventry »

barry-cotter wrote: post #239
AlexCoventry wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would have tipped his hand as a purveyor of speculative, just-so, white-supremacist garbage, if he'd cited her. Also, there is nothing in that paper to support your claim about the policies of the Catholic Church.

If you’re the Alex who writes Yorkshire Ranter congratulations on an excellent and long maintained blog. If you want to know more about the policies of the Catholic Church on marriage of relatives the Wikipedia article on cousin marriage is quite good and well referenced if you want to go from there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage On the Church banning marrying relatives > First and second cousin mar…

Thanks for the info. I'm not that Alex.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by [deleted] »

barry-cotter wrote: post #239
AlexCoventry wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would have tipped his hand as a purveyor of speculative, just-so, white-supremacist garbage, if he'd cited her. Also, there is nothing in that paper to support your claim about the policies of the Catholic Church.

If you’re the Alex who writes Yorkshire Ranter congratulations on an excellent and long maintained blog. If you want to know more about the policies of the Catholic Church on marriage of relatives the Wikipedia article on cousin marriage is quite good and well referenced if you want to go from there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage On the Church banning marrying relatives > First and second cousin mar…

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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by [deleted] »

barry-cotter wrote: post #239
AlexCoventry wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would have tipped his hand as a purveyor of speculative, just-so, white-supremacist garbage, if he'd cited her. Also, there is nothing in that paper to support your claim about the policies of the Catholic Church.

If you’re the Alex who writes Yorkshire Ranter congratulations on an excellent and long maintained blog. If you want to know more about the policies of the Catholic Church on marriage of relatives the Wikipedia article on cousin marriage is quite good and well referenced if you want to go from there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage On the Church banning marrying relatives > First and second cousin mar…

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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by AlexCoventry »

barry-cotter wrote: post #239
AlexCoventry wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would have tipped his hand as a purveyor of speculative, just-so, white-supremacist garbage, if he'd cited her. Also, there is nothing in that paper to support your claim about the policies of the Catholic Church.

If you’re the Alex who writes Yorkshire Ranter congratulations on an excellent and long maintained blog. If you want to know more about the policies of the Catholic Church on marriage of relatives the Wikipedia article on cousin marriage is quite good and well referenced if you want to go from there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage On the Church banning marrying relatives > First and second cousin mar…

> Just so stories is a common insult thrown against evolutionary psychology researchers but far from universally justified.

If it's not verifiable even in principle, it's useless from a scientific perspective. And it just happens to be a theory telling white people why they're genetically disposed to morally superiority, which is highly suspicious, coming from a white guy.

> Given the high degree of fit between the model Snow proposes and the evidence it certainly isn’t justified here.

You're not taking the enormous hypothesis space into account. This is not a compelling fit, by any means.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by Izkata »

derefr wrote: post #108
sumeetjain wrote: post #31

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> There is a very strong individualist streak in American culture and a very strong taboo against lending friends or family members money I think the individualist streak in American culture is better shown by people being unwilling to seek help from friends/family. I might call an unwillingness to help others (assuming one can afford to do so) selfishness -- not individualism. But what I have seen in American is, as…

> a Kickstarter campaign, bank loan, or VC investment doesn't diminish one's pride in the way that the same support from someone's parents might. I don't think it's about pride at all. I think it's about face (something most Americans don't even have a word for, but which is very relevant in this case.) Americans don't want to give face to anyone, ever. They don't want anyone to have social power over them. When an i…

> See: the way "favours" are portrayed in The Godfather movies, for an image of the American mindset on what owing someone a favour / being in someone's debt is like.

Maybe not that extreme, but yeah, it's too easy to get guilted into something because you've become socially indebted by something large.

It's not even about being able to get out of it, like you mention afterwards with a legal exchange, it's about the exchange being forced to continue out of a mixture of guilt, politeness, and social pressure in general, simply because you don't want to accidentally kill the personal relationship.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by cannonedhamster »

derefr wrote: post #108
sumeetjain wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a very strong individualist streak in American culture and a very strong taboo against lending friends or family members money I think the individualist streak in American culture is better shown by people being unwilling to seek help from friends/family. I might call an unwillingness to help others (assuming one can afford to do so) selfishness -- not individualism. But what I have seen in American is, as…

> a Kickstarter campaign, bank loan, or VC investment doesn't diminish one's pride in the way that the same support from someone's parents might. I don't think it's about pride at all. I think it's about face (something most Americans don't even have a word for, but which is very relevant in this case.) Americans don't want to give face to anyone, ever. They don't want anyone to have social power over them. When an i…

More to the point, you can never get out of the debt you incur, no matter what you do for the rest of your life. It's not just about the debt one incurs, it's about the one providing the debt and what they expect, lifelong admiration, respect, and deference. I've had insane requests and expectations demanded by family members for really small "gifts" before. Because of that I'd say that the social interest costs are too high for many Americans to be able to accept anything.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by cannonedhamster »

adventured wrote: post #207
skookumchuck wrote: post #117

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I believe Gates started Microsoft with a $5000 loan from his parents. Not that "immense".

Gates did not start Microsoft with a loan from his parents, it was entirely bootstrapped financially. Paul Allen and Gates had saved up a small amount of money from contract work. Together they provided all of Microsoft's seed capital. They had customers for Microsoft essentially from the start of the business (MITS being the first), making it profitable nearly from day one.

Which completely bypasses the point that their parents had to be wealthy enough to provide for his education at a school that had computing labs at a time that they were very rare. Bill Gates and Paul Allen certainly had to work their tails off, but negating that having a wealthy parent puts you in a far higher likelihood to be successful is just silly. The average child of poor parents is not likely to have the same opportunity as those of a child of wealthy parents. It's exactly what perpetuates the cycle of wealth.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by cannonedhamster »

holymoly1 wrote: post #85
vkou wrote: post #78

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> It is about economics and expectations. No, it is because a $1000 apartment is apparently beneath you. And yet, letting my apartment out for $1000 is apparently beneath my landlord (Look at how entitled he is, to be asking $2250! It's almost like that's the price the market is willing to bear!) Yet, we only use this sort of judgmental language to express outrage at employees, unwilling to work at a price below what…

>> unwilling to work at a price below what the market is willing to bear. You realize I'm agreeing with you right? You are looking at the Palo Alto market, or San Jose market. But an immigrant might be willing to live in inner Oakland or a place where the market IS willing to give you a home for $1000 a month it is just not what you come to expect as an American. I'm Indian American. My father was willing to live in…

The specific term for what you're talking about is arbitrage. You're making a high wage in the city, but choosing to live in a lower cost of living area and keeping the difference. As someone who commuted hours each way for years, this absolutely works and you don't even need to be a specific ethnicity. I've worked my way up from crappy jobs cleaning up sewer damage, to a call center, then an IT dept, and now into IT management. This is possible for anyone willing to put more work than average, and who is ready when opportunity/luck/karma comes knocking at your door.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by barry-cotter »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #244
barry-cotter wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re the Alex who writes Yorkshire Ranter congratulations on an excellent and long maintained blog. If you want to know more about the policies of the Catholic Church on marriage of relatives the Wikipedia article on cousin marriage is quite good and well referenced if you want to go from there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage On the Church banning marrying relatives > First and second cousin mar…

> Just so stories is a common insult thrown against evolutionary psychology researchers but far from universally justified. If it's not verifiable even in principle, it's useless from a scientific perspective. And it just happens to be a theory telling white people why they're genetically disposed to morally superiority, which is highly suspicious, coming from a white guy. > Given the high degree of fit between the m…

I’m neither a behaviour geneticist nor an evolutionary psychologist, merely an interested amateur so if I can think up ways to test these hypotheses I’m sure actual experts can do better.

We’re learning more and more about the genetic underpinnings of personality traits and getting betterat extracting ancient DNA. It’s also trivial to compute indices of relatedness between two people if you have either a full genotype or just SNPs. If the personality traits associated with WEIRD populations are highly correlated with declines in inbreeding it’s not proof of the hypothesis but it makes it more likely. We don’t have proof outside of Math anyway, Science is about more or less likely.

If you want to learn more about Evolutionary Psychology the Oxford Handbook is excellent and it’s on libgen.io. The introduction is only about 60 pages and addresses the most common and uncommon criticisms ably.

If you think that being unusually individualistic and unfamilistic is morally superior that’s a personal preference you are of course free to indulge.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by AlexCoventry »

barry-cotter wrote: post #249
AlexCoventry wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just so stories is a common insult thrown against evolutionary psychology researchers but far from universally justified. If it's not verifiable even in principle, it's useless from a scientific perspective. And it just happens to be a theory telling white people why they're genetically disposed to morally superiority, which is highly suspicious, coming from a white guy. > Given the high degree of fit between the m…

I’m neither a behaviour geneticist nor an evolutionary psychologist, merely an interested amateur so if I can think up ways to test these hypotheses I’m sure actual experts can do better. We’re learning more and more about the genetic underpinnings of personality traits and getting betterat extracting ancient DNA. It’s also trivial to compute indices of relatedness between two people if you have either a full genotyp…

Dude, I've written papers on population genetics. I know exactly how hard what he's trying to do is. He's full of it.
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