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Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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post #54

Why does this matter? Users don't care and its easier to remember/understand that all websites are just "x.com" rather than sometimes being "www.x.com". If you have some server/troubleshooting/network/dev problem with it, the missing info should be moved to developer tools. This is just removing data that is useless and confusing to 99.9% of users - whats the problem?

i’m a user too

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

#412

Curious, why did www.foo.com become the standard instead of using the apex/root foo.com domain? Was this because of the DNS limitations of using CNAME records at the apex/root?

Because HTTP was one service among many, not the primary one, and failed to use a different DNS record than A to look up the target, unlike other protocols which manage this redirection to the "$protocol server" that way instead of through a subdomain name. (E.g. mail has MX records to find the mail server, many other protocols use SRV records to discover their specific targets)

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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post #158

the amount of assumptions that browsers make nowadays is really getting out of hand. Chrome on my work laptop doesn't even bother resolving a name that certainly does not look like an url but exists in the network. Instead it will look it up on (guess what?) Google.

There's a particular 8-letter, simple subdomain for my domain (.com) where Chrome treats it as a Google search. Doesn't do it for any other subdomains. It makes no sense.

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

#414
post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is certainly subverting the domain name system. I can't see the value or gain in security by this. (If you want to put focus on the domain, then display the host-part with less contrast, i.e. grey, but don't hide any potentially vital information. Otherwise, put out a RFC, defining "www" as a substitute for "*", or a zero-value atom, in order to guarantee consistent behavior.) Edit: There are also legal concerns…

The reason why Google is doing this is because they are slowly trying to do away with URLs, as direct traffic is probably their greatest untapped segment. Google is trying to get users to go through their doorway pages, which is exactly the kind of thing for which they penalize publishers. Pay attention to when you enter direct addresses, let's say from a device/media subscription authorization page. The autosuggesti…

Compare yesterdays Ars Technica piece, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/google-wants-to-get-...

As a comment reads there, do they want to reintroduce AOL keywords?

Edit: May we expect a non-standard subdomain "google-remote", which is more of a protocol-extension and will be also hidden?

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

#415

Considering a subdomain "trivial" is ridiculous... there's a difference between "www.example.com" and "example.com". Not only can they serve different sites, they can even have different DNS records! It seems that "m." is also considered a trivial subdomain. So when a user clicks a link to a "m.facebook.com" uri, they'll be confused why FB looks different when the browser reports it's on "facebook.com". I sincerely h…

> It seems that "m." is also considered a trivial subdomain. So when a user clicks a link to a "m.facebook.com" uri, they'll be confused why FB looks different when the browser reports it's on "facebook.com".

Will they? I find it very unlikely that many users would even check the URL in the first place, let alone understand that m.foo and foo route to different places.

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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> This is a dumb change. No part of a domain should be considered "trivial". As an ISP, we often have to go to great lengths to teach users that "www.domain.com" and "domain.com" are two different domains... What ISPs teach their users anymore these days? Why the heck do we want to go back to that? Time for a modicum of historical perspective. If you care about usability this is clearly an improvement. This is part o…

and that’s why they are marketing companies not technical companies...

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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post #384

If only we had something other than the subdomain to indicate what protocol we want to use to access the host in question. Like maybe some kind of... port number and/or protocol prefix. "www." is useless. Eliminating it wouldn't be a bad thing. "m." for mobile sites is extremely archaic. Sites should work on mobile without special subdomains. If you issue subdomains to strangers on your root domain, the URL bar showi…

"www." is useless until you have multiple servers. Say you run a game server and a website on a web server for that game server as well. You need to give them separate domains so that they can resolve to separate IP addresses i.e. "www.example.com" might resolve to and "example.com" might resolve to . This is far more robust, faster and simpler (and how the system was intended to be used) than trying to set up some kind of proxying system on one of the servers to handle traffic really intended for the other one. In real world usage of course you'd probably put the game server at "game.example.com" and the web server at "example.com" but either way you end up with a subdomain, the arrangement with "www." as the subdomain instead of "game." is not really any more useless. I believe this can possibly be worked around with SRV records but then you have to rely on whatever your client might be handling SRV records.

> If you issue subdomains to strangers on your root domain, the URL bar showing the subdomain shouldn't be your "security model."

What do you propose instead? Azure gives me custom subdomains for my servers that are immensely useful, being much more regular and memorable than IP addresses. I only see two solutions here: stop doing that or let anybody with access to subdomain creation pretend to be "azure.com". One of them is comically dangerous and the other is throwing out a perfectly good feature to save a handful of characters in the URL bar.

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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post #43

This and many other changes over a course of a short period of time have caused me to go to Firefox exclusively now. I heard Firefox is going to stop third party cookie tracking altogether. Why not give Google the big finger and use a different browser? Vote with your cold hard actions if you feel so strongly about something.

I switched to firefox a year ago. Its a little slower, but im a lot happier. Ive been trying to degoogle as much as reasonable. I moved to fastmail as well. Still using an android, but would switch if a reasonable alternative that wasnt iphone came up. Im not paranoid or a privacy nut, just think google is too involved in my life.

Maybe try an Android derivative? One tailored for privacy? I've heard of LineageOS, it's marketed as privacy-friendly.

Re: Chrome 69: “www.” subdomain missing from URL

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually Google's long term plan is to do away with the URL completely, they just haven't figured out how yet. https://www.wired.com/story/google-wants-to-kill-the-url/

We're always going to need to see URLs. They're not going away. They're just talking about a better default view to show the user relevant information about where they are, which would be a good thing. Being generous, maybe half of users can look at a URL and immediately identify the domain they are on. That's terrible, and goes a long way to explaining why phishing attacks are so prevalent. I'm actually pretty excit…

> We're always going to need to see URLs.

I can see the future now: User enters his target (mybank) into the Google search bar on his Google Android device, the device opens Google Chrome with the Google amp page form mybank already loaded. The user never has to worry about urls or where exactly he is entering his banking information and login critera. Google makes everything a clean and seamless experience and user never has to leave its warm embrance.

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