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Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

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Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

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I did not downvote you, but the official statement claims this was the last straw, and not a response to a single offense: https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1037804427992686593

Thank you for replying instead of downvoting. The problem I have is how subjective all of this is, and while they say they are trying to increase transparency I don't see it. This action suggests they keep tabs on accounts and there's some threshold they can reach over a period of time that will flip a ban on even if the actual action that causes the ban wouldn't be bannable in isolation. I've not seen this policy di…

But this is LESS subjective.

They have rules. Before they were enforced randomly.

Was that fovoritism? Who was at the button for that particular complaint? Who knows!

It doesn’t really matter what their rules or definitions of the terms they use are. Or how subjective people claim they are.

People will choose to use the service or not based on what they see happening.

But for the past few years, it want a question of what the terms meant exactly. People could say things that were blatant violations under the most charitable readings of the rules and nothing would happen.

Or it would.

Or they would show that someone else said thing X the rules forbid and the complainer would get banned and person who actually said it would be fine.

Now we may get some consistency (I’m not holding my breath though). That can only be a good thing.

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

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I never watched infowars or read anything Jones said or wrote. But to think there are people who believe his crazy sh*t is really scary. Like the guy shooting up a pizza shop because of Pizzagate. I compare him to the World Weekly News (next to the People magazines) from way back where they'd show a picture of space aliens shaking hands with the president. Why does anyone believe this crap?

And yet, you seem to have managed to use the internet for years without ever having to read his stuff. So what exactly is the case for banning him? It seems the standard tools (follow/unfollow/mute/block) are sufficient for people being able to avoid him.

Do we really want social media monopolists and search engines to decide on what is truth and what isn't? What makes them the authority?

Obviously Twitter, as a private company, is allowed to ban whoever they want. I just find it sad that people don't find it grounds enough to switch to a more open network.

Maybe in part because such networks don't really exist atm, perhaps in part because of government regulation?

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

#43
Here is the video he broadcast that got him banned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_wFdA-1oU

Alex Jones seems seriously unwell. That being said, apart from acting like a complete jackass and harassing that man it was not exactly a racist rant and not 'as bad' as some of his other comments.

Not sure why he got banned specifically for this to be honest.

Edit: not sure how that link got mixed up with another video...

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

#45
For the past few years, whenever a company demonstrates that it is actively working against a culture of free speech, I block its URL in /etc/hosts. In this case, I already added Twitter long ago, so no change necessary.

Not only do I have less time wasters around, but I noticed that the internet is far less angry of a place as a result.

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

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Honestly, "Those are the eyes of a rat" is a fairly tame insult compared to the kind of toxic drivel Jones usually says, and seems like weak grounds for termination. He should've been kicked off long ago, but I fear that having this particular example be the "final straw" is only going to strengthen the alt-right's persecution complex.

It does seem tame, but a quick search suggests it may be an anti-semitic dog whistle.

There's a funny irony in suggesting that one heard a dog whistle.

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

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One of the most difficult issues with the style of bans that large tech companies perform is that there is no hope for them to have strong consistency. For them to be consistent they would have to ban anyone that has been an equal or worse offender, while not banning anyone that is a lesser offender. This is obviously far-fetched, especially with decisions that are made by humans on a case-by-case basis.

Regardless of what actions they take, many parties will feel slighted, and rightfully so, as anyone will be able to cherry-pick correct examples about why various platforms are not fair with their bans, because complete fairness is impossible. So we can have many equally valid "They banned X but not Y, this is unfair" from one side, but also "They banned A but not B, this is unfair" from an opposing side, with both complaints being valid examples that demonstrate some type of bias or inconsistency.

Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

#49

I never watched infowars or read anything Jones said or wrote. But to think there are people who believe his crazy sh*t is really scary. Like the guy shooting up a pizza shop because of Pizzagate. I compare him to the World Weekly News (next to the People magazines) from way back where they'd show a picture of space aliens shaking hands with the president. Why does anyone believe this crap?

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Re: Twitter Permanently Bans Alex Jones and Infowars

#50

I never watched infowars or read anything Jones said or wrote. But to think there are people who believe his crazy sh*t is really scary. Like the guy shooting up a pizza shop because of Pizzagate. I compare him to the World Weekly News (next to the People magazines) from way back where they'd show a picture of space aliens shaking hands with the president. Why does anyone believe this crap?

And yet, you seem to have managed to use the internet for years without ever having to read his stuff. So what exactly is the case for banning him? It seems the standard tools (follow/unfollow/mute/block) are sufficient for people being able to avoid him. Do we really want social media monopolists and search engines to decide on what is truth and what isn't? What makes them the authority? Obviously Twitter, as a priv…

Can you name me a single government regulation that would prevent a decentralized twitter from forming?

Let's not just hand-wave our blame for the government.

There have been many, many, many attempts to create a more open, decentralized version of Twitter, Facebook, and various Blogs. But they've all failed because there just simply wasn't enough incentive for people to leave these popular sites to go to a random site, for a value proposition that most don't really care to understand (open and federated vs run by one company)

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