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Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

scrollaway wrote: post #7
vvpan wrote: post #4

I am somewhat embarrassed, but also relieved to admit that I switched from vim (nvim to be precise) to VSCode (OMG M$FT!) and am very happy about it. I still use vim bindings as much as I can, but I guess giving up a bit of ideology can benefit one a lot. Although, that is until I start running out of memory on my personal laptop, then it's back to the terminal!

The vscode vim bindings are atrocious. I use them because there's nothing better, but they're bad . Slow, super buggy, and did I mention slow? I hit tab and sometimes instead of inserting a \t, it inserts the letters " ". And it re-runs mypy/flake8/etc whenever I enter or exit insert mode, which I do a ton... so my CPU is constantly pegged. And commands like "2d}" don't delete the correct amount of paragraphs. And on…

The author of vscodevim is working on a new extension that uses NeoVim's remote UI client protocol. Accuracy and speed will hopefully go way up when that is finished. Unfortunately progress appears to have stalled somewhat.

https://github.com/Chillee/VSCodeNeovim

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by pc86 »

platz wrote: post #22
scrollaway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vscode vim bindings are atrocious. I use them because there's nothing better, but they're bad . Slow, super buggy, and did I mention slow? I hit tab and sometimes instead of inserting a \t, it inserts the letters " ". And it re-runs mypy/flake8/etc whenever I enter or exit insert mode, which I do a ton... so my CPU is constantly pegged. And commands like "2d}" don't delete the correct amount of paragraphs. And on…

i agree with these observations

There is an upvote button so you can convey that appropriately :)

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

lingz wrote: post #25
rraval wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would really love to ditch more of my nvim setup for vscode, but this bug [1] from 3 months ago absolutely wrecks my productivity. I rely on splits as the primary means to navigate the codebase and having a single cursor position per file is maddening! The vim bindings aren't perfect and are sometimes slow (you can see a macro insert things character by character) but about on-par with IdeaVim for the IntelliJ side…

Yeah VSCode for Vim feels like they are slowly trying to implement a subset for VSCode. This kind of iterative approach doesn't strike me as a way to build something that will finally "feel right", and overcome these limitations. Perhaps some remote vim running actual nvim code with a minimal API bridge into VSCode is more appropriate?

The maintainer of vscodevim has done a lot of work on a plugin that uses such a bridge. :-)

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by crazypyro »

oweiler wrote: post #35
bsaul wrote: post #30

I wonder how intellij will survive if vscode becomes a standard for pretty much every language. Which makes me wonder if kotlin will also survive if intellij goes bankrupt.

At least with regards to Java, IntelliJ is still miles ahead.

Yup, I use both VSCode (for JS) and Intellij (for Java). VSCode is no where close to having the functionality of Intellij Ultimate and I really don't see that gap closing much without some major new extensions being written.

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by komali2 »

fredsir wrote: post #13
vvpan wrote: post #4

I am somewhat embarrassed, but also relieved to admit that I switched from vim (nvim to be precise) to VSCode (OMG M$FT!) and am very happy about it. I still use vim bindings as much as I can, but I guess giving up a bit of ideology can benefit one a lot. Although, that is until I start running out of memory on my personal laptop, then it's back to the terminal!

> can benefit one a lot. What are those benefits? I tried to switch from vim to VSCode, and it just felt like it confined me. To be fair, I don't "run vim", per say, I run a shell with tmux inside, split horizontally in two, with vim on top, and two shells (a vertical split) underneath. The left shell on the bottom being used for miscellaneous things, and the right one running some kind of live code checking (with vi…

I mean, it sounds like to me vscode has nothing to offer you, if your desktop (i.e. what we see when we look at your monitor) remains so static (in a positive sense).

I find vscode more useful than vim because I can quickly and easily swap out the pieces of environment I need. Need a terminal real quick? Ctrl`, command, ctrl` again and poof it's gone, with nothing in front of me but my code. Need git real quick? Ctrl shift g. Need one more tab? Another? Ctrl \, and so on.

I usually work with three or for different files opened, some tucked away in a tab that I can quickly shift to when I need it. And when I need to get to my "wall o' terminals", I just switch to that workspace (gnome).

Whenever I watch the local vim lady do her thing, it's an entirely different workflow. Grepping across files, then opening one in vim so it just kinda pops up in a new terminal window. Doing a thing there, then closing it to go work in a different vim window... Admirable memory map of the code base and confidence to just close the file and move on, but not for me.

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by guitarbill »

brandonwamboldt wrote: post #37
oweiler wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with regards to Java, IntelliJ is still miles ahead.

Something to consider, VS Code being free means it will eat into IntelliJ's marketshare, even without all the features of IntelliJ. They'll be the people who need the advanced features who will continue buying it, but many people may not need the full suite, and will use VS Code to save money.

IntelliJ has a free version which is good enough in many cases: https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/editions_comparison_...

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by Alir3z4 »

bsaul wrote: post #30

I wonder how intellij will survive if vscode becomes a standard for pretty much every language. Which makes me wonder if kotlin will also survive if intellij goes bankrupt.

I've used Intellij for the Java, Python, Ruby, PHP, JavaScript, TypeScript.

I can say that in no way I found VSCode be able to to take on it, even the JavaScript support and they way they have integration with many JavaScript frameworks and other languages frameworks is something I cannot find in VSCode.

Intellij IDEs are really fast, very well integrated and made to get me productive, I couldn't find that in VSCode.

Worth noting, I still use VSCode for JavaScript & HTML & CSS development, but only when it's not heavy development, otherwise Intellij IDEs.

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by Alir3z4 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #39

Is there a Python IDE that will show all the stuff that's actually in a class? E.g. if I have a class that inherits from several parent classes, some of which have identically named methods, is there a good way to see how the methods are defined in the class I'm looking at?

You're looking for PyCharm.

Re: Python in Visual Studio Code

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Post by tincholio »

brandonwamboldt wrote: post #37
oweiler wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with regards to Java, IntelliJ is still miles ahead.

Something to consider, VS Code being free means it will eat into IntelliJ's marketshare, even without all the features of IntelliJ. They'll be the people who need the advanced features who will continue buying it, but many people may not need the full suite, and will use VS Code to save money.

The IntelliJ community edition is free as well, and has features galore. (I'm an Emacs guy through and through, but some Java stuff makes me break out IntelliJ)
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