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Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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Who is the target audience for this? Seems like you should solicit research proposals and provide grant funding to academic or industrial research groups to actually do the work. They can't just work for free in hopes they get 250k or 1M...

publicity with a nice paycheck too

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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That reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Shredder_Challenge_2011

https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-really-happened-a...

which was thought to be almost impossible to solve.

> DARPA, The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, created 5 coded-documents of increasing complexity, ran them through an industrial paper-shredder, scanned the pieces, and posted them online for anyone to attempt to solve. Each document had a certain amount of 'intel', every piece of which was given a point value. The competition, which launched October 27 and would expire December 4, was offering a prize of $50,000 to the first individual or team to find all the intel (first to 50 points).

> The competition gained popularity quickly, with over 9000 official entrants and 50,000 folks downloading the first of the five puzzles. But skeptics had already begun to question the contest after only 67 entrants could score any points at all. "Lots of experts were skeptical that a solution could be produced at all, let alone within the short time frame," said Dan Kaufman, director, DARPA Information Innovation Office. But, with just 2 days remaining before the competition was closed (only 33 days after it began) one of the entrants had solved all 5 levels completely.

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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Definitely thought this was going to be about the Mars Bar factory CO2 output, which would have been cool if they could reuse that in the product they're making.

How much would people pay for a Mars bar that was produced on planet Mars?

Potentially millions, which would really mess with the Mars Bar standard.

https://www.ft.com/content/34859346-b023-11e7-8076-0a4bdda92...

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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If NASA is really serious about people living on Mars, I would think that they should build a rotating space station with Mars level of pseudo-gravity. Two decent sized chambers connected by a tether might be the easiest to build. If one really wants to see if something complicated will work on Mars, running it in Martian G, is the only way to be sure.

Long term studies in the current space station seem to suggest that humans can't live years at zero G without serious health problems developing. It would useful to try out Mars gravity (38% of Earth's) somewhat closer to Earth than the surface of Mars.

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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post #25

If NASA is really serious about people living on Mars, I would think that they should build a rotating space station with Mars level of pseudo-gravity. Two decent sized chambers connected by a tether might be the easiest to build. If one really wants to see if something complicated will work on Mars, running it in Martian G, is the only way to be sure. Long term studies in the current space station seem to suggest th…

Could you link/cite the studies you have in mind, njarboe

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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I was going to suggest we should hold competitions for turning Earth's CO2 in sugar as well, but then I remembered you can just plant seeds.

Photosynthesis is only 0.1% to %2 efficient, while solar cells are over %20. So if you come up with a way to convert electricity into sugar that is at least %10 efficient, you are ahead. Not to mention that farming causes habitat destruction, and fertilizer and pesticides are also harmful.

The issue is more complex than that - resiliency and cost are also important.

It's literally dirt cheap and super easy in many parts of the world to drop sugar beets in the ground at 40 acres an hour. Photovoltaics (not even considering the chemistry equipment) to cover an hour's worth of planting will cost on the order of $20 million!

Re: Nasa launches $1M competition to turn Mars CO2 into sugar

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post #13

Who is the target audience for this? Seems like you should solicit research proposals and provide grant funding to academic or industrial research groups to actually do the work. They can't just work for free in hopes they get 250k or 1M...

There are already grants and proposals for similar research. This competition targets two groups that aren't well-represented by that process: 1. Individuals (hobbyists) who will work for free in hopes of winning. 2. Well-funded academics and industry R&D who will bill their costs against their employers, who hope to profit from the publicity generated by the public contest.

Spot on with nº2, look at the winners of the similar "Horizon Prizes" that the EU offers: https://ec.europa.eu/research/horizonprize/index.cfm?pg=priz...
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