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Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#131

Why remove descriptions from bookmarks? I know they're not the most useful thing, but I don't get the benefit of removing them.

I suspect the long game here is eliminating user bookmarking altogether. Why would you want to use something as archaic as a saved URL, when there's a service that knows where you want to go to on the Internet better than you could ever decide for yourself?

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#132
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Thanks, I appreciate the explanation and links, and I can definitely appreciate the fact that it's a maintenance burden that's taking away from other important work. But it's still hard to swallow -- given the really, truly amazing engineering work that's been coming out of Mozilla (Rust and Servo are what I'm thinking of), and the gargantuan effort going into those -- that the APIs involved in the bookmarking system…

I've read somewhere that Firefox telemetry showed that hardly anyone used the bookmark descriptions. In that case, understandable they chose to remove them.

That's how I expect Google to make decisions, not Mozilla. I would like to say that I trust Mozilla to appropriately weigh pros and cons and make unpopular decisions when necessary, but it seems like the entire deliberation process was a few individuals in one of the bugzilla threads that jaas linked above: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1402890 (and I don't see any mention of how widely used it is, from telemetry or otherwise).

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#133
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That's really bad. Deleting user data is one of the most loud ways to declare that "we're bad at software development!" I guess I should consider trying Ungoogled Chromium or maybe Pale Moon. I worry the former will be a menace to build because I don't have lots of RAM and CPU. Edit: I don't use the feature but still...

They are not deleting already existing data, they removed the user-facing features and the collection of new data.

They will remove the data in a future release. I.e. if you don't read the entire release notes for all the software you use, there's a chance that your data will be removed inadvertently, if you happen to use the feature.

Firefox has problems with data loss. I have lost my open tabs on multiple occasions in scenarios where it's totally possible to recover the entire data (just using atomic writes). Recently, I mistakenly opened FF 52 instead of FF 61 (Debian has 52), and all my bookmarks were deleted. Luckily I had a backup of the user profile so that I survived that. I like FF, but I cannot trust it with my data one bit. And now it's no more only mistakes but it's intentional, user-hostile design decisions.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#134

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I keep trying to switch. The thing that stops me is it chokes on big single page apps. Arguably the problem is the sites being choked on (too much javascript) but there's not much I can do about that.

What would be an example of a "big single page app"?

Honestly, 'new' gmail is substantially worse on FF than chrome. Which sucks, because I don't want to use chrome.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#135

I really like Firefox but unfortunately it doesn't run well on my machine. I have Ryzen 2700X, geforce 1080 Ti, running current Ubuntu but firefox is using 1 full CPU at 100% (load is moving from one core to another) and constantly lags. Researched a lot for any similar problems but couldn't find any solution. Has anyone seen anything like this and maybe even solved it?

Have you considered submitting a bug report? That's likely to get more attention than complaining on some random internet forum.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#136
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Complaining, criticising, two different things. The latter is what's being done, and that is quite useful. Loding and complimenting is nice, but useless. I have a love/hate relationship w/ Firefox, but it's the best trade-off for a privacy-aware power-user that also wants a relatively stable browser which does not want too much fiddling. But too many negatives are present and if we do not point them out they wont be…

> complimenting is nice, but useless Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News. For example, suppose you suddenly had the need for Email As A Service. Which of the plethora of services will you choose to use? I believe a lot of Hacker News users will weight their decisions at least in part on HN comments discussing those services.…

> Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News [...] If all people ever see is criticism, that is likely to drive people away from Firefox

By that measure, they will completely turn off their computer because every single product is primarily criticism here. I also think substanceless praise is mostly useless in this forum (not in life) and I appreciate everyone here that points to specific points and issues instead of needless bloviation. I think encouragement, praise, etc can/should occur elsewhere and we can get to the meat of the product. It's like complaining that your QA team never opens JIRA issues saying you did a good job...that's not the best use of that communication platform.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#137

>> Improved graphics rendering for Windows users without accelerated hardware using Parallel-Off-Main-Thread Painting Because so many people run windows on hardware without decent graphics hardware?!?!?! And yet Wayland support is still not up to snuff. I use Firefox almost exclusively, but Mozilla seems to have some strange priorities. It's not just them, it's a lot of people out there doing what they want instead o…

From https://firefoxgraphics.github.io/telemetry/ : Linux users are about 2.7% of Firefox users Windows users are 93.2% of Firefox users 27.7% of Windows users don't have Direct2D That means 25.8% of users "run windows on hardware without decent graphics hardware". So it's entirely reasonable to prioritize these 25.8% of users over the 2.7% on Linux.

How many Linux users disable telemetry collection vs windows users (who are most certainly used to spewing telemetry to external parties)? I definitely disable it on all of my (Linux) systems where I run Firefox. I suspect I am not alone.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#138
post #129

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> complimenting is nice, but useless Some people will base their decisions on which software to try/use, based on the general sentiment of discussions on Hacker News. For example, suppose you suddenly had the need for Email As A Service. Which of the plethora of services will you choose to use? I believe a lot of Hacker News users will weight their decisions at least in part on HN comments discussing those services.…

Well I actually agree you, I've exaggerated. Compliments are less useful than criticism here, but indeed not totally useless. I guess I overreacted to the comment that starts with a false blanket statement and overgeneralises.

Geez! thanks. Hypocritical much?

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#139
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I really want to change to Firefox but a while ago it was a huge battery drain on my mac. It had something to do with it not using CoreAnimation, I think. Does anyone know if this is still the case?

Do you use a Retina display by chance? In certain setups, Fx is known to use more energy in HiDPI mode. Try disabling it and see if it fixes your issue. To what I know, this issue is known to Moz and will be fixed in a few versions (it appears to be a complex issue that takes time to solve).

Pst, Moz and Mozilla are not the same thing.

Re: Firefox 62.0 Released

#140
post #96

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Thanks, I appreciate the explanation and links, and I can definitely appreciate the fact that it's a maintenance burden that's taking away from other important work. But it's still hard to swallow -- given the really, truly amazing engineering work that's been coming out of Mozilla (Rust and Servo are what I'm thinking of), and the gargantuan effort going into those -- that the APIs involved in the bookmarking system…

I've read somewhere that Firefox telemetry showed that hardly anyone used the bookmark descriptions. In that case, understandable they chose to remove them.

> I've read somewhere that Firefox telemetry showed that hardly anyone used the bookmark descriptions.

> In that case, understandable they chose to remove them.

It's not understandable. That logic leads to dumbed-down, point-and-grunt products because the "telemetry" shows most users aren't power users.

Anyway, how much effort does it really take to maintain a text field on a bookmark entity?

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