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Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by kiallmacinnes »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #88
amaccuish wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume their build system checks for formatting and will raise an error if it doesn't conform. And this person would use the VS Code extension to auto-conform their code.

I'm questioning the soundness of such setup in general, and especially if it means that losing connection to a third-party prettifier makes you unable to work on your own codebase.

Their not unable to work, they just don't have a "format this according to the rules our codebase has set out" button.

They can also just format their code according to the rules by hand..

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by smudgymcscmudge »

sieabahlpark wrote: post #4
GFischer wrote: post #2

We're affected by this issue. And we had our alerts system in Azure as well, so we didn't get alerts about the outage (welp).

And thus the lesson of all eggs in one basket has been taught again.

Some thought they were spreading eggs across multiple baskets by replicating across regions and trusting Azure was doing the same for their “global” services.

As a consumer, the lesson here is that Azure is one, big basket. It would probably be prudent to think of AWS and GCS as single baskets too.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by smudgymcscmudge »

craftyguy wrote: post #10
pcunite wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for sharing. A big outage like this does have the benefit of making things better in the future.

[citation needed]

Presumably some people will be setting up nagios servers outside of azure now. So that makes things better.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by dsumenkovic »

dustinmoris wrote: post #81
toomuchtodo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As counterpoint, I’ve seen banks down for extended periods of time, hours occasionally stretching to a day or two (TSB, LLoyds, Bank Of America, BankSimple [BBVA]). Downtime is a fact of life. Google, Amazon, IBM, and Microsoft have had major cloud outages. GitLab nuked their production DB. Slack and Reddit are frequently down. Unless it’s life critical (911, air traffic control), if it’s down its only going to hampe…

If a single bank is down or Reddit (lol) then the impact is fairly limited, but if one of the 3 major cloud providers, which powers large parts of the internet is down for an entire day, then the impact is a little bit more critical I would say ;). There's a reason why Azure has a SLA and Reddit doesn't ;) Also if you start comparing the big companies with GitLab then we don't have to continue talking anymore. It's n…

At GitLab we are always trying to iterate and we learned a lot from our incident with the database.

The one thing we are proud of is our transparency. The community really appreciates our openness and we are happy about it.

Here's the one example https://about.gitlab.com/2017/02/01/gitlab-dot-com-database-...

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by Vinnl »

madmulita wrote: post #98
Vinnl wrote: post #94

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I used to think like this too - e.g. I was happy when our national rail started announcing the cause of delays. But then a friend of mine was complaining that they did this, because he didn't want to be troubled with their internal problems - "just tell me what to do". When your customer's demands are so directly opposed, you're somewhat caught between a rock and a hard place.

You can easily reflect both positions in your status page. Those who don't need to be bothered with the details can refrain from reading them.

Hmm yeah, I guess in this case that is true. Probably a matter of not having been in this situation often and thus not designed the status page that extensively.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by partiallypro »

robkop wrote: post #89
partiallypro wrote: post #67

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Google Apps is not GCS. If you wanted to compare that number you'd have to throw in Office 365/Azure into the same number and it would dwarf Google. Google has ~3% market share compared to Microsoft's ~28% and Amazon's ~40%. Not even in the same league at the moment. Google is more on par with IBM and Rackspace, for now. Google will undoubtedly make strides in the space, but they haven't been tested.

Depends who's figures you go by. As per [1] they're at 6%, double your source. [1] https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/27/...

It may have grown, but it's still a fraction of Microsoft and Amazon which is the entire point.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by partiallypro »

ti_ranger wrote: post #91
partiallypro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Apps is not GCS. If you wanted to compare that number you'd have to throw in Office 365/Azure into the same number and it would dwarf Google. Google has ~3% market share compared to Microsoft's ~28% and Amazon's ~40%. Not even in the same league at the moment. Google is more on par with IBM and Rackspace, for now. Google will undoubtedly make strides in the space, but they haven't been tested.

> Google has ~3% market share compared to Microsoft's ~28% and Amazon's ~40%. Where does this number come from? If it is based on the revenue reported, be very careful with Microsoft's numbers. They report a lot of products as "Azure intelligent cloud", including Office suite subscriptions, on-premise server licences, and software (Windows, SQL Server) licensing revenue from other cloud providers in that number. Pret…

People have been throwing this conspiracy theory around for years...even though you can look at Microsoft's earnings reports and see they are broken out as different line items.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by whoisjuan »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75
whoisjuan wrote: post #24

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Just today I was having issues with the Prettier extension in VS Code, and I uninstalled it to see if that would fix it (I read that usually fixes the issues I was having). Then I realized that I couldn't install it again because VS Marketplace was down. This was like 8 hours ago and still no signs of recovery. Of course, all my builds are failing because of some stupid formatting issue that Prettier usually would so…

> Of course, all my builds are failing because of some stupid formatting issue that Prettier usually would solve, so yeah..thanks MSFT. Is failing builds due to formatting issues really a sound setup?

I can add an ignore formatting line, but then people would ask why I did that. We have a styleguide to increase readability and make code-reviews easier. Is it a sound setup? I personally think it is. It promotes good standards and can sometimes even help catch some issues related to structure and code flow.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by talltimtom »

aneutron wrote: post #97
Someone1234 wrote: post #9

Visual Studio Online has been offline all day. They say it is due to the same Azure outage. This has had a productivity impact. If Microsoft didn't own GitHub, this may have prompted a move, but since they do it seems a little redundant given that Github will likely be on Azure too before long. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vsoservice/?p=17405

I think it's unlikely. Github were on cloud, and then moved to their own infrastructure a while back. In fact they have their own provisioning framework and all that fun stuff. I doubt they will move back to Azure or any cloud for that matter. It's the same story with Dropbox and similar companies. Once past a point in scale, and depending on the case, for example need to control the data security to have certain cer…

Microsoft owns Azure, Microsoft owns GitHub. Azure is Microsoft’s own infrastructure. Remember kids there is no cloud it’s just somebody else’s computer.

Re: Microsoft Azure suffers outage after cooling issue

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Post by aneutron »

talltimtom wrote: post #109
aneutron wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's unlikely. Github were on cloud, and then moved to their own infrastructure a while back. In fact they have their own provisioning framework and all that fun stuff. I doubt they will move back to Azure or any cloud for that matter. It's the same story with Dropbox and similar companies. Once past a point in scale, and depending on the case, for example need to control the data security to have certain cer…

Microsoft owns Azure, Microsoft owns GitHub. Azure is Microsoft’s own infrastructure. Remember kids there is no cloud it’s just somebody else’s computer.

You're missing the point. Github wants to have control over its hardware. It's as easy as that.
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