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I'm cautious about over sentimentalizing Loggan, or on the other side getting angry about his situation. He seems like a person who could be a pretty good manager, but just never wanted to take that step up. It's easy to pillory the restaurant, it's managers, or even the entire premise of the service industry itself based on this story, but I would err on the side of it being an anecdote than something to rally upon.
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...with tips. The article mentions this comes to about $14/hour for Loggan. Almost every restaurant server in America makes below the minimum wage, this is allowed by law since their tips almost always take them back above the minimum. https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
> Almost every restaurant server in America makes below the minimum wage, this is allowed by law since their tips almost always take them back above the minimum. https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. So, every server by law does…
it will be one or two days before they are sacked, either because the place have more servers than it need for the traffic or that one server is upselling less than the others.
in anyway, your argument on the letter of the law is pointless (at least on the anecdotes I know about, would love to se actual nation wide data on this), becuase it changes nothing. either you live on tips, or you are unemployed.
I'm cautious about over sentimentalizing Loggan, or on the other side getting angry about his situation. He seems like a person who could be a pretty good manager, but just never wanted to take that step up. It's easy to pillory the restaurant, it's managers, or even the entire premise of the service industry itself based on this story, but I would err on the side of it being an anecdote than something to rally upon.
Sure, because everyone over 40 is supposed to be a manager? What makes you think this man is or is not typical? (I'd err on the former side, "lifers" are common in many industries including restaurants.)
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Also, key point: > Spend some time traveling the world, head to some developing countries outside of your consumer driven world. Traveling is a luxury that many people cannot afford - it requires a ton of money. You're telling me to save up money, then to spend it, to go to a place where I realize I won't need money? How do you tell a poor person with financial troubles - don't worry…
No one said anything about telling poor people to travel. The point is that many are already content with what they have. Sure, if they don't have enough food to eat, or access to clean water, that's clearly an issue. But those who have met their basic human needs, generally don't feel unhappy because they aren't buying a new iPhone ever year. I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with th…
A person can be content with what they have and still find value (happiness, even!) in having more, for a variety of reasons that don't involve naked greed or avarice. It's extremely strange that anyone needs to have this explained to them.
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No one said anything about telling poor people to travel. The point is that many are already content with what they have. Sure, if they don't have enough food to eat, or access to clean water, that's clearly an issue. But those who have met their basic human needs, generally don't feel unhappy because they aren't buying a new iPhone ever year. I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with th…
The guy still buys a lottery ticket, so I just assume that he'd find your original statement, "money definitely does not make people any happier," just as naive as most people would. A person can be content with what they have and still find value (happiness, even!) in having more, for a variety of reasons that don't involve naked greed or avarice. It's extremely strange that anyone needs to have this explained to th…
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The guy still buys a lottery ticket, so I just assume that he'd find your original statement, "money definitely does not make people any happier," just as naive as most people would. A person can be content with what they have and still find value (happiness, even!) in having more, for a variety of reasons that don't involve naked greed or avarice. It's extremely strange that anyone needs to have this explained to th…
You're going off on tangents and picking apart context unnecessarily. What does the insistence on reiterating that he still buys lottery tickets? So what? I've bought a few, and I don't have any money issues, it's fun to take a chance! We all have our vices, rich and poor still gamble. I piss away money on expensive cocktails because they are delicious. So what have it? If I couldn't afford them, it's not going to be…
This thread of discussion literally began because you wrote "Money definitely does not make people any happier."
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. Also, key point: > Spend some time traveling the world, head to some developing countries outside of your consumer driven world. Traveling is a luxury that many people cannot afford - it requires a ton of money. You're telling me to save up money, then to spend it, to go to a place where I realize I won't need money? How do you tell a poor person with financial troubles - don't worry…
No one said anything about telling poor people to travel. The point is that many are already content with what they have. Sure, if they don't have enough food to eat, or access to clean water, that's clearly an issue. But those who have met their basic human needs, generally don't feel unhappy because they aren't buying a new iPhone ever year. I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with th…
When you're old you'll look back and cringe at the thought that you ever said things like this.
It's not that I don't believe you, or that your reported experience is not genuine to you. It's that it reflects a fundamentally superficial interaction.
Being poor isn't something you can look at and observe, it's a feeling that comes when every choice you face is deeply and fundamentally compromised.
It's OK though, we won't hold it against you, most old people talked like you did once too when they were young. That kind of idealism can have value as well.
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No one said anything about telling poor people to travel. The point is that many are already content with what they have. Sure, if they don't have enough food to eat, or access to clean water, that's clearly an issue. But those who have met their basic human needs, generally don't feel unhappy because they aren't buying a new iPhone ever year. I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with th…
> I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with the most have nots were some of the warmest, happiest, and inviting people I've ever met in my entire life. When you're old you'll look back and cringe at the thought that you ever said things like this. It's not that I don't believe you, or that your reported experience is not genuine to you. It's that it reflects a fundamentally superficial i…
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> I recently spent a month backpacking through India, and the people with the most have nots were some of the warmest, happiest, and inviting people I've ever met in my entire life. When you're old you'll look back and cringe at the thought that you ever said things like this. It's not that I don't believe you, or that your reported experience is not genuine to you. It's that it reflects a fundamentally superficial i…
Nick, are you this miserable / condescending in your daily life and with clients? Or just when you preach to strangers on public forums? I ignored your last response, because you don't seem to be a happy person, despite all of the adversity you've overcome in your life. There are many happy people in this world less fortunate than yourself, I hope you find some peace.
Now you've projected similarly onto me, who you also don't know, and decided I'm not a happy person.
In both cases, of course, you actually have no idea how happy the people you're interacting with are, or are not.
When you come to realize that you'll perhaps have gained a little bit of humility and empathy. Those will serve you well in discussions such as these.
I'm cautious about over sentimentalizing Loggan, or on the other side getting angry about his situation. He seems like a person who could be a pretty good manager, but just never wanted to take that step up. It's easy to pillory the restaurant, it's managers, or even the entire premise of the service industry itself based on this story, but I would err on the side of it being an anecdote than something to rally upon.
Sure, because everyone over 40 is supposed to be a manager? What makes you think this man is or is not typical? (I'd err on the former side, "lifers" are common in many industries including restaurants.)
As you say, not everyone should become a manager. That doesn’t mean seniority isn’t a thing though.