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Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by doh »

pjc50 wrote: post #9

Article 13 is the key one, mandating upload filtering. This has all sorts of side effects - suddenly you can't make a Dropbox style file sharing site without implementing pre-emptive filtering. You can't rely on notify-and-takedown. Article 11 potentially has huge implications for social media sites; suddenly a user posting a news article link with a quote becomes a copyright liability. All the worry that was focused…

Absolutely agree. Both articles are a huge mistake for EU and will have incredibly negative impact on users and DSPs while favoring rights holders.

The status quo favors DSPs (and indirectly users) but damages rights holders. A solution is badly needed, however it should be one balancing needs of all 3 groups instead of favoring one (or two).

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by qubax »

What's with all the comments supporting censorship all of sudden? Every social media site now has hordes of "people" defending censorship. Is it just more european users on social media now? Or is it just government funded trolling? I just don't get it.

Saudi arabia just declared online satire as a cybercrime punishable up to 5 years in prison.

https://www.france24.com/en/20180904-saudi-arabia-declares-o...

We know how much china and russia loves censorship. And of course europe has a long tradition of censorship.

As americans, we had long hoped that the world would join us and embrace freedom, but it looks more and more like we are forced to join them.

I'd rather keep our freedom and separate the internet into "intranets". There is no european or saudi or chinese or russian websites or tech I need. Let the world have their backwards censorship and lets hold onto our freedom.

If we have to cater to everyone's sensitivities, than that is a race to the lowest common denominator. That means we have no freedom at all.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by jandrese »

nine_k wrote: post #16
HippoBaro wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My thought exactly. If there is a `vibrant free web`, I can't see it.

Look at this very site. People link here a lot, quote here a lot, and sometimes say controversial things here. If every submission had to be pre-moderated, and royalty paid for every substantial quotation, this site would be very different, and definitely less vibrant and free.

If every submission had to be checked by a copyright cop first this site wouldn't exist. Message boards in general wouldn't exist. It would take way too much manpower to run, especially if you have to worry about things like song lyrics in the post and handling multiple languages.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by petre »

qubax wrote: post #32

What's with all the comments supporting censorship all of sudden? Every social media site now has hordes of "people" defending censorship. Is it just more european users on social media now? Or is it just government funded trolling? I just don't get it. Saudi arabia just declared online satire as a cybercrime punishable up to 5 years in prison. https://www.france24.com/en/20180904-saudi-arabia-declares-o... We know h…

I think the economic climate is worsening, there's much polarization which encourages censorship. Probably also gov't funded and big IP holder lobbying. The European officials act just like concerned grandparents, trying to censor selectively or regulate social media companies to self censor. Russia and China is no surprise.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by suckerburg »

EU builds a good reputation after setting a good standard with GDPR, some politicians started talking about copying it which made me happy. Now I'm scared again wondering what would happen if they go through with this and politicians everywhere start copying it.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by isostatic »

chatmasta wrote: post #20
adventured wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wikipedia is about the only major non-ad supported website that normal people visit. Which costs $69 million per year to operate, has 300+ employees and requires six million donations. Your example also isn't free. > Most user content is probably on Facebook or Medium Medium is less than 1% the size of Wordpress, both in terms of traffic and amount of content. The majority of all content on Wordpress sites is ad fr…

There should be a better mechanism for funding sites like Wikipedia that provide what is effectively a global, common, public good. Perhaps a budget from the UN or something should be set aside for funding projects like Wikimedia, Archive.org, etc. It’s a bit ridiculous that something so important to so many people relies on donations from individuals.

Why? Is Wikipedia in danger of going bust?

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by Kenji »

suckerburg wrote: post #35

EU builds a good reputation after setting a good standard with GDPR, some politicians started talking about copying it which made me happy. Now I'm scared again wondering what would happen if they go through with this and politicians everywhere start copying it.

GDPR is a disaster. Look at those websites, now after cookie disclaimers you have popups with "privacy" options. I don't see how they ever built good rep.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by nine_k »

jandrese wrote: post #33
nine_k wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at this very site. People link here a lot, quote here a lot, and sometimes say controversial things here. If every submission had to be pre-moderated, and royalty paid for every substantial quotation, this site would be very different, and definitely less vibrant and free.

If every submission had to be checked by a copyright cop first this site wouldn't exist. Message boards in general wouldn't exist. It would take way too much manpower to run, especially if you have to worry about things like song lyrics in the post and handling multiple languages.

Quoting TFA:

«Article 13; which seeks to shift liability for platform users’ copyright infringements onto the platforms themselves — and which critics contend will therefore push them towards creating upload filters to monitor all content before it’s posted»

Emphasis mine.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by openbasic »

suckerburg wrote: post #35

EU builds a good reputation after setting a good standard with GDPR, some politicians started talking about copying it which made me happy. Now I'm scared again wondering what would happen if they go through with this and politicians everywhere start copying it.

Good reputation for what? Government interference in the free web? GDPR was just the first step. Open your eyes.

Re: Wikimedia warns EU copyright reform threatens the ‘vibrant free web’

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Post by petre »

mlinksva wrote: post #5
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

Unfortunately, there isn’t a vibrant free web. Wikipedia is about the only major non-ad supported website that normal people visit. Most user content is probably on Facebook or Medium. Most breaking news is first available on twitter. Even independent websites, most likely have Google analytics and Google ads. From a European point of view, the current copyright situation is just a wealth transfer from European compa…

Taxing ads seems like a better intervention than what is proposed.

But ads are taxed since ad based revenue is subject to tax.
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