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Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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I don't know. Google is still way ahead. > Google’s U.S. ad revenue is expected to rise $5 billion this year to $39.9 billion, while Facebook could rise $3 billion this year to $21 billion, according to eMarketer. Adwords is just so effective to find your customers. You won't beat `buy new headphones` type traffic on Amazon or Facebook.

If I’m looking for headphones, wouldn’t it be more logical to start on Amazon? It’s not like Amazon is a site that people haven’t heard of. It’s the 4th most trafficked site in the US.

Personally, Amazon is where I go to check prices after I've decided what it is I'm buying. I've never gone to Amazon without knowing exactly what I wanted.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

If we're talking about data I think Google wins. Email is the activity stream of all your online purchases. Google analytics has the users' clickstream data. Google messenger and google+ gets the relationships the user has. Youtube gets entertainment data. Search is what is relevant to the custom at the moment of time.

If I was Amazon, i'd look at buying mint from intuit to get all the banking data from users.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

It could work well for B2C cases, but I suspect it will be only marginally better than Facebook for B2B. Still, that’s still a huge market.

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> Besides, ad blockers don’t work with Facebook or Amazon embedded ads Don't they? They seem to work pretty well for google embedded ads.

Exactly what I am saying. It’s much easier to block Google ads than Facebook or Amazon ads. Facebook ads are seen on thier site and in their apps as is Amazon’s. Google is not a “destination site” aside from YouTube.

When I perform a google search for something with no adblocker on, 'sponsored results' show up -- google ads, on google's website. Adblockers hide these. How is this different from fb or amazon aads?

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

If we're talking about data I think Google wins. Email is the activity stream of all your online purchases. Google analytics has the users' clickstream data. Google messenger and google+ gets the relationships the user has. Youtube gets entertainment data. Search is what is relevant to the custom at the moment of time. If I was Amazon, i'd look at buying mint from intuit to get all the banking data from users.

For the 3 people on Google+?

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

Facebook has terrible targeting. They might collect lots of data but they truly suck at utilizing it. It is pathetic. Google is fairly mediocre. Literally nothing in the quality of online advertising has changed since 1999. Sidenote, adblockers work with Amazon and Facebook.

Facebook has better interest based targeting than anyone else on the web. Google is the king of intent based targeting.

Source: I've managed and tested $10 million+ of ad spend that needed provable ROI across a wide variety of platforms.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

If we're talking about data I think Google wins. Email is the activity stream of all your online purchases. Google analytics has the users' clickstream data. Google messenger and google+ gets the relationships the user has. Youtube gets entertainment data. Search is what is relevant to the custom at the moment of time. If I was Amazon, i'd look at buying mint from intuit to get all the banking data from users.

You can replace "Google messenger and google+" with Android.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

> Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves

I'd be surprised if Google doesn't know more about its users than Facebook. Google (theoretically) has access to its users' email, physical locations, browsing history, and more.

And search ads remain dominant for one time, high value purchases (think insurance or a mortgage).

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

If we're talking about data I think Google wins. Email is the activity stream of all your online purchases. Google analytics has the users' clickstream data. Google messenger and google+ gets the relationships the user has. Youtube gets entertainment data. Search is what is relevant to the custom at the moment of time. If I was Amazon, i'd look at buying mint from intuit to get all the banking data from users.

> Google messenger and google+ gets the relationships the user has.

Nobody uses google+.

> Search is what is relevant to the custom at the moment of time.

Yes, but in 5 years? Amazon is playing the long game.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

But what users tell facebook may be completely incorrect, and might be more a reflection of how they want others to see their profile, for example liking things which may make them seem cool. Google on the other hand, should know your deepest hidden desires.
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