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Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

Google is better able to capture 'intent' IMHO.

It also makes it possible to find users who are at different specific stages of the buying process. That's way more powerful than what FB or Amazon offer.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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> Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. In my experience, Amazon has _incredibly poor_ targeting. Search and place an order for cat food, and the next day you'll get an email with: > Based on your recent activity, we thought you might be interested in this. > > ... cat food, the exact same brand I bought already ... Not only that, their targeting doesn't seem to be based on my pas…

Hey, at least cat food is something consumable and that your cat'll use up and you'll need to order more of. Unlike say, consumer grade CPUs or specific video games.

I bought a TV on Amazon a while back, they knew I looked it up and they knew I paid money for it and they knew I received it and I even left a review so they knew I used it. I got ads to buy that same TV that they knew I already bought for months after I bought it.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

Facebook has terrible targeting. They might collect lots of data but they truly suck at utilizing it. It is pathetic. Google is fairly mediocre. Literally nothing in the quality of online advertising has changed since 1999.

Sidenote, adblockers work with Amazon and Facebook.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

> Besides, ad blockers don’t work with Facebook or Amazon embedded ads Don't they? They seem to work pretty well for google embedded ads.

Exactly what I am saying. It’s much easier to block Google ads than Facebook or Amazon ads.

Facebook ads are seen on thier site and in their apps as is Amazon’s. Google is not a “destination site” aside from YouTube.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

> Besides, ad blockers don’t work with Facebook or Amazon > embedded ads.

Of cause they do: https://socialfixer.com/

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

> Besides, ad blockers don’t work with Facebook or Amazon embedded ads. Could you explain further? Do you mean A/FB ads on A/FB, or A/FB ads on third party sites? As long as they're marked as ads they're removable.

Yes I am referring to ads on Facebook/Amazon.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

> Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. In my experience, Amazon has _incredibly poor_ targeting. Search and place an order for cat food, and the next day you'll get an email with: > Based on your recent activity, we thought you might be interested in this. > > ... cat food, the exact same brand I bought already ... Not only that, their targeting doesn't seem to be based on my pas…

I'm guessing parent's comment was speaking more about potentials than current realities with regards to Amazon targeting.

The fact is, I assume Amazon really doesn't care about the ad business. They've offloaded that via affiliate links to third parties (a smart move).

Putting more effort into offering ad targeting now seems less about making money and more about draining value from Google and Facebook.

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

I don't know. Google is still way ahead. > Google’s U.S. ad revenue is expected to rise $5 billion this year to $39.9 billion, while Facebook could rise $3 billion this year to $21 billion, according to eMarketer. Adwords is just so effective to find your customers. You won't beat `buy new headphones` type traffic on Amazon or Facebook.

If I’m looking for headphones, wouldn’t it be more logical to start on Amazon?

It’s not like Amazon is a site that people haven’t heard of. It’s the 4th most trafficked site in the US.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

Facebook has terrible targeting. They might collect lots of data but they truly suck at utilizing it. It is pathetic. Google is fairly mediocre. Literally nothing in the quality of online advertising has changed since 1999. Sidenote, adblockers work with Amazon and Facebook.

Not if you are on Facebook or Amazon.

Most Facebook use is mobile and the Facebook app is one of the most popular.

Ad blocking works on Google’s website.

Re: Amazon Sets Its Sights on the $88B Online Ad Market

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This is my bear case for Google. Google offers the least precise targeting compared to Facebook and Amazon. Facebook knows more about its users because users tell it about themselves and Amazon knows more about purchasing habits of its users because of thier purchase and search history. If I’m searching for something with the intention on buying it, I am going to go to the specific site - like Priceline, hotels.com,…

I don't know. Google is still way ahead. > Google’s U.S. ad revenue is expected to rise $5 billion this year to $39.9 billion, while Facebook could rise $3 billion this year to $21 billion, according to eMarketer. Adwords is just so effective to find your customers. You won't beat `buy new headphones` type traffic on Amazon or Facebook.

There's something to be said for the expectation vs reality PR creep factor.

People searching on Google (or checking in on friends and family on Facebook) or browsing the Internet don't expect their history to be mined for advertisements.

People browsing on Amazon have already signaled their intent to shop.

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