Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points

Post by tedunangst » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:09 PM UTC

bretpiatt wrote: post #11

snowwrestler wrote: post #7

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It's a shame you're getting downvoted because you are correct. The dramatic acceleration of TLS adoption means that your ISP is getting less and less info about their customers' behaviors. But if your browser has ever logged into something like Facebook or Google, then any site with embedded content will be sending info about your behavior back to them. A LOT of sites carry pixels from those companies, but anything c…

He's not correct which is why he's being downvoted. As TLS rolls out further I suspect you'll see more ISPs move from firewall/router devices being deployed with their service to an edge proxy under the guise of additional security, "our new routers terminate all connections before they reach your computer directly allowing us to block malware and other dangerous packets" -- while that statement is 100% true what it…

Post by gumby » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 1:35 AM UTC

whoopdedo wrote: post #17

gumby wrote: post #9

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Masnick has a pretty severe critic of both Google and Facebook for years and it would be pretty difficult to bend his words here to try to support your claim.

Do you think an internet lobbyist would be so brazen to attempt to redirect onto Google & Facebook a discussion thread talking about the way the telcos want to redirect discourse to place blame on Google and Facebook?

Post by 908087 » Sat, Sep 01, 2018, 6:59 AM UTC

bretpiatt wrote: post #11

snowwrestler wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shame you're getting downvoted because you are correct. The dramatic acceleration of TLS adoption means that your ISP is getting less and less info about their customers' behaviors. But if your browser has ever logged into something like Facebook or Google, then any site with embedded content will be sending info about your behavior back to them. A LOT of sites carry pixels from those companies, but anything c…

He's not correct which is why he's being downvoted. As TLS rolls out further I suspect you'll see more ISPs move from firewall/router devices being deployed with their service to an edge proxy under the guise of additional security, "our new routers terminate all connections before they reach your computer directly allowing us to block malware and other dangerous packets" -- while that statement is 100% true what it…

Post by jrockway » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 8:29 PM UTC

mrkstu wrote: post #19

xg15 wrote: post #13

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Then again, with Chrome, there is at least the technical possibility of Google tracking every single website you visit just as well (including http, https and now even sites that just sit on your LAN and don't hit the ISP at all) I don't say they do, but my trust in Google not to do this isn't that much higher than ISP s not doing this. (Though, to be fair, code doing this would probably be found rather quickly in th…

Well they do, in point of fact. I was debugging our corporate proxy and tailing the logs for a particular site- when using chrome I matched the site string despite it being directed to bypass proxy- but not going to the site, but to google, despite putting a full url in. Anyone wanting to truly understand what chrome is doing should run an ssl decrypting proxy on their web traffic for awhile- it is eye opening.