Can Beethoven send takedown requests? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by dkersten » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 1:42 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #284

digi_owl wrote: post #225

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Yep. You do not have an account on each, you have a Google account that allows you to access all of google's services. And once it is closed, it is game over. Most people didn't notice this until G+ hit the net, and some kids used their gmail account (set up with parental knowledge and support) got closed because G+ found out they were under 13. Others have discovered that if their app on Google Play gets into troubl…

Yes. That's just one reason why I'll never use Gmail.

Agreed. Switching away from gmail was one of the best things I’ve done in recent years.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by dkersten » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

mehrdadn wrote: post #256

scatters wrote: post #255

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Google will work out that the accounts are operated by the same person and forcibly link them together. They may then decide that you are abusively trying to evade their restrictions and permanently ban all of your accounts.

Wait really? Any links on this? I don't recall hearing of this happening.

My accounts were created separately in the early days of YouTube and they got linked against my will. It doesn’t show up as my gmail account in YouTube because I kept rejecting their “please merge” requests, but besides the display name, they’re essentially merged and I have to log in with my gmail account. I don’t use my gmail for anything else anymore so I don’t care, but it was frustrating back when it happened. I know it’s just anecdotal and not a proper reference like you requested..

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by def_true_false » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 2:32 PM UTC

phobosdeimos wrote: post #298

digi_owl wrote: post #231

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The process Google has set up is an outcome of DCMA, because Youtube can only operate as long as they can claim DCMA "safe harbor" status.

Yeah I don't know what people expect. YT is huge now, they are being watched by governments and corporations alike. The days were you could find entire movies on YT or Al qaida recruitment videos is long gone. If Google steps out of line everyone is immediately at their throat.

Bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kingdom+of+heav...

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by def_true_false » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 2:56 PM UTC

Jerry2 wrote: post #272

voicedYoda wrote: post #253

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Would something like Media Goblin [1] work for you? It's easy to host, you can share the media how you see fit, and you control copyright, and they're are many ways to deploy to keep costs down. I'm not saying this is easier than yt, but there are some trade offs worth making if you want to really have that level of control. [1] https://mediagoblin.org/

> many ways to deploy to keep costs down. If you or someone else has some suggestions for cheap media hosting, I'm all ears :) The one thing I miss from Youtube was all the commenters and people who enjoyed me playing. I got a lot of satisfaction from that and it kept me going and posting more videos (it definitely wasn't the money since ad revenue was abysmal).

Hetzner VPS has 20TB of traffic per month for like 3 EUR. You could probably use torrents to save some more bandwidth. Maybe a Peertube instance?

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by mehrdadn » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 5:46 PM UTC

dkersten wrote: post #312

mehrdadn wrote: post #256

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Wait really? Any links on this? I don't recall hearing of this happening.

My accounts were created separately in the early days of YouTube and they got linked against my will. It doesn’t show up as my gmail account in YouTube because I kept rejecting their “please merge” requests, but besides the display name, they’re essentially merged and I have to log in with my gmail account. I don’t use my gmail for anything else anymore so I don’t care, but it was frustrating back when it happened. I…

Oh, but you're talking about a pre-Google YouTube account being merged with a Google account, not two Google accounts being linked, right? Those are pretty different things.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Tehnix » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 6:56 PM UTC

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #248

Timmah wrote: post #239

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But you could find out who is legitimately using that copyright on YT and retaliate against them. For instance, if you use a clip of a Prince song that is taken down, and you determine that BMG music owns the Prince catalog, you could send automated infringement requests against PrinceVEVO or any official BMG uploads. Even better if you created a "burner" corporation. Ie P.O. box in Delaware and act on their behalf.…

YouTube is far more broken for small to medium content creators than the big guns. IMO the way to go is to get their contact details out of the copyright claim and sue them in small claims court.

YouTube is broken for anyone that isn’t a giant media corporation, or very heavy ad buyer. The biggest YouTuber on the platform regularly gets false copyright claims, DCMAs, etc.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by toss1 » Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 8:22 PM UTC

notriddle wrote: post #247

toss1 wrote: post #243

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And this is specifically why, as I select for my biz an upgraded email service provider, even though Google/GMail has a solid service & good prices, they are completely disqualified.

Yeah. I am personally abandoning GMail specifically because I want to be able to upload stuff to YouTube. You know a company is mismanaging things when they're doing things that are against their own interests .

Actually, it is not because I particularly care about uploading videos to YouTube (never done it, no particular plans to do it), but with the fact that Google specifically and forcibly links everything.

Sure, in some ways, the fusion is very convenient.

But I've read a few too many credible stories about how a loyal Google customer does some innocuous action that happens to set off one of Google's triggers, and is instantly banned from the entire ecosystem.

Google's complete lack of customer support, and indeed hostility to the concept of ever being reachable by or accountable to a user just makes it worse.

Bottome line; Google is ok for casual use, but as a biz, I'll never touch them, and advise others to avoid like the plague.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by anonytrary » Thu, Sep 06, 2018, 4:33 AM UTC

Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

> those who falsely claim copyright can do so with impunity

False accusations should be given the same punishment as the accused would have faced. The "flag" and "report" buttons are abused on every single platform, as any mod can tell us.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by intended » Thu, Sep 06, 2018, 5:20 AM UTC

artwr wrote: post #141

EADGBE wrote: post #128

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CD sales have fallen since 2000. Spotify, in your example, came out 8 years later. https://www.statista.com/chart/12950/cd-sales-in-the-us/ Conversely, Napster was released in 1999.

Illegal downloads surely had an impact in the 2000s era, but I think by now the amount of freely streamable content is by far the largest factor.

Unlikely - streaming expanded the market for music.

I recall a report that showed that p2p networks acted primarily like a broadcast medium, which tuned to the most popular works.

The entire free content model has arisen because of tacit acknowledgement of that fact.

Youtube, hell everyone, applies those lessons today.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by EADGBE » Fri, Sep 07, 2018, 7:44 PM UTC

intended wrote: post #319

artwr wrote: post #141

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Illegal downloads surely had an impact in the 2000s era, but I think by now the amount of freely streamable content is by far the largest factor.

Unlikely - streaming expanded the market for music. I recall a report that showed that p2p networks acted primarily like a broadcast medium, which tuned to the most popular works. The entire free content model has arisen because of tacit acknowledgement of that fact. Youtube, hell everyone, applies those lessons today.

And, as I pointed out originally, there was about an 8 year gap between demise of album sales and the prominence of streaming.