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In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

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Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#41

I'd like to hear of any HNers who are involved in this lifestyle. Given SV pay, it must be not unheard of.

Go ahead and ask something about it, the throwaway account is ready. Not in SV however. It's been interesting - e.g. I met the smartest (but lazy) person I know and I know for sure that one tech billionaire that you've likely heard of was also doing it.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#42
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Please discount the fact that I am a bit of a misanthrope, but... who the hell enters in a relationship not expecting to get something in return?

The way I see it is that although in most relationships people expect reciprocation, they differ in how strictly the people involved are keeping tabs on the difference between how much each is contributing. In relationships like the ones described in this article, both parties are paying more attention to whether they're getting what they perceive to be a fair reward for what they are providing to the other, and shou…

It's not only how strictly you keep tabs on things, the nature of the exchanged "goods" changes as well, in particular it becomes more asymmetric.

In an equal relationship, both contribute economic resources, emotional support, domestic work, sexual pleasure, etc. Traditionally, in the West, there was an asymmetry in that the woman provided the domestic work, the man the outside work with the concomitant salary; but the asymmetry has shrunk over the decades, due also to the increased opportunities of women in the work force.

In these sugar relationships, there is massive asymmetry in the nature of the contributions; it's an intermediary between prostitution (pure money vs sex, short term) and marriage (lots and lots of stuff vs lots and lots of stuff, long term), but arguably closer to the former.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#43
Whenever I think about sugar relationship, I always think of the movie 和你在一起 (Together) by Chen Kaige. One of the character was a woman dependent on sugar relationships and her motivations, fears and the relationships she had with those men was very well depicted.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#44
post #4

Please discount the fact that I am a bit of a misanthrope, but... who the hell enters in a relationship not expecting to get something in return?

What you said is close to a tautology, and like most tautologies, they are merely a play on words and don't leave any substantial insight.

Not true. There are relationships (for example between mother and child) that are not based on reciprocation. Nothing in the definition of the word "relationship" implies expectations or getting something in return. It's a synthetic proposition, not an analytic (tautological) one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic–synthetic_distinction

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#45
I wonder, by the way, whether the surge of this phenomenon is an outgrowth of social media.

In discussions with young women of modest means in countries with limited opportunities and huge income inequality (ie most third world countries), it is hard to find arguments against their impression that this lifestyle is their best chance for a good life.

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#46
post #29

Aside: I'd rather have a classic article with images and videos instead of that constant over- and underscrolling, images appearing and disappearing etc. I think the innovation is a bit compulsive.

I think it's nice that we have both. I don't think there's any risk that this format will replace text articles overall. (If for no other reason than that the economics just won't make sense in all places.)

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#47

I'd like to hear of any HNers who are involved in this lifestyle. Given SV pay, it must be not unheard of.

Theres a whole subreddit about it and a few SVs guys talk openly (but anonymously) about it there.

Don't leave us hanging like that. Please link to the subreddit.

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#48

I'd like to hear of any HNers who are involved in this lifestyle. Given SV pay, it must be not unheard of.

Go ahead and ask something about it, the throwaway account is ready. Not in SV however. It's been interesting - e.g. I met the smartest (but lazy) person I know and I know for sure that one tech billionaire that you've likely heard of was also doing it.

Well, I didn't think about it before, so random thoughts - why this way at all? It seems a rather poor allocation of the money (unless you are super-rich relative to where you live). From what I heard, it ain't a cheap 'hobby', ie ladies expect expensive stuff for the 'services'.

Is the youth the biggest draw? From my experience highest quality sex happens with more experienced ladies, it takes them time to come to terms with their body, their visual flaws (all of us has them) etc. and just enjoy themselves.

What about trust? With prostitute, you know you can't trust her being healthy, with these ladies - is the approach the same or you hope she doesn't have 10 similar 'customers' like you?

Re: In Kenya, “sugar” relationships have become both more common and more visible

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go ahead and ask something about it, the throwaway account is ready. Not in SV however. It's been interesting - e.g. I met the smartest (but lazy) person I know and I know for sure that one tech billionaire that you've likely heard of was also doing it.

Well, I didn't think about it before, so random thoughts - why this way at all? It seems a rather poor allocation of the money (unless you are super-rich relative to where you live). From what I heard, it ain't a cheap 'hobby', ie ladies expect expensive stuff for the 'services'. Is the youth the biggest draw? From my experience highest quality sex happens with more experienced ladies, it takes them time to come to t…

School tuition is running at 31,000 a year, plus added expenses. Compared to that, how pricey can sex work really be?

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#50

I am an outsider to some extent but it's interesting observing a repeat of the so-called "feminist sex wars" here in Africa. One argument is that if the society was more equal economically across gendered lines, then there would be no need for this kind of sex work. This is often used as an argument against sex work in the west as well, but I'm guessing the level of wealth inequality, and not just across gendered lin…

Don't you think with economic equality, 80% of females will go to top 10% of males (for free) ? While now at least they pay.
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