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Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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Not the first, and won't be the last. We have to stop this madness.

We can either stop this madness or accept the results of a democratic referendum.

It’s strange how a referendum on a totally unknown outcome is considered democracy, whereas another referendum once the terms of the deal become known would be a “gross mockery of democracy” to quote May.

Is the will of the people only applicable when people can’t even know what they’re asked?

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

#32
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the other side is also constantly going: "Imagine how things could be worse. Don't constrain your imagination with realism." Let's check back in 1-2 years if the sky has fallen...

GB existed before the EU and will continue to exist after it.

Nobody thinks otherwise, but “the country will continue to exist” is a pretty low bar to achieve. I’m much more concerned about a massive spike in prices, people leaving the country, and difficulty importing and exporting goods.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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post #5
post #2

Not the first, and won't be the last. We have to stop this madness.

You can't stop it. Even if Brexit was reversed - which I doubt even possible - Britain has been shown to be a source of political risk. That isn't going away.

Meh, tons of member states are "sources of political risk", that's the nature of large-scale politics.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

#34
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to paraphrase the referendum choices here. 1. The status quo. 2. Imagine how things could be better. Don't constrain your imagination with realism. It's a wonder option 2 only won by 2 percent. The only democratic way forward is to have a referendum on the final "deal".

Well, the other side is also constantly going: "Imagine how things could be worse. Don't constrain your imagination with realism." Let's check back in 1-2 years if the sky has fallen...

But there's no referendum on that. My main point is that the referendum wasn't very sensible and should probably always have had two stages. X = "What kind of Brexit do we want" then "remain vs. X". I expect "hard Brexit" vs. remain would have gone the other way, for example.

And the way to rectify this is to have a referendum on the reality of the eventual deal vs. the reality of the status quo.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't stop it. Even if Brexit was reversed - which I doubt even possible - Britain has been shown to be a source of political risk. That isn't going away.

Of course you can stop it. UK Parliament would just need to annul the Article 50 withdrawal bill. But the question is whether there is the political will to do so. It's very tricky because Brexiteers/Remainers cut across both Labour and the Tories and yet the party members are expected to toe the party line. Which results in an impasse.

"just"

The complete agreement of every EU nation is required to un-invoke article 50, because there are no provisions for it. Now, they'd likely do it, but that isn't a certainty, especially as the UK arguably gets a lot more out of the EU than most other member states relative to investment.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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post #5
post #2

Not the first, and won't be the last. We have to stop this madness.

You can't stop it. Even if Brexit was reversed - which I doubt even possible - Britain has been shown to be a source of political risk. That isn't going away.

reversing Brexit is possible, here is a short explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLrzMzD_yvw

the question isn't if the EU still wants the UK (but that it's unlikely that in the current local political internal climate and the opposition it isn't likely. Though certainly legally possible.

the danger to the UK automotive sector: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq2Z9uHzsGM

edge cases such as aviation (not a fan of Ryan air CEO but still worth watching): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inr1KEoJqJ0

and here a longer one about the effects of Brexit - it is worth every minute IMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcIkIz98zXU&

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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We can either stop this madness or accept the results of a democratic referendum.

If there was another vote to reverse the Brexit-decision and people voted for that in majority, you could stop the madness and accept the results. Things change. Being stubborn is rarely the best option.

True. And even if no-one has changed their mind, the result may well be different. Leave voters, being older, are expiring at a much faster rate.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

#38
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can either stop this madness or accept the results of a democratic referendum.

A democratic referendum can be rigged by the emotions ruling at the moment of said referendum. You'd think if it would be repeated it would get the same outcome?

"rigged by emotions"

New voting requirement-- before entering the booth, must provide proof you are entirely devoid of all emotions whatsoever.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

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We can either stop this madness or accept the results of a democratic referendum.

No, this is a nonsense absolutist standpoint. Britain held a referendum - one which probably shouldn’t have been held as it was, but it’s too late to hand-wring about that now. But the way in which the outcome is being executed is absolutey shameful and there are a number of things which could be done: - the referendum outcome could be fulfilled by formally withdrawing from the EU while retaining most of the machiner…

If having another referendum was an option, I assure you, the PM would have held not one but fifteen by now.

The moment you put into question the foundation of the democratic process, the situation will become completely unmanageable by the establishment.

Re: Panasonic to move Europe headquarters from UK to Amsterdam

#40
post #2

Not the first, and won't be the last. We have to stop this madness.

We can either stop this madness or accept the results of a democratic referendum.

The people most vocal before the referendum (such as Nigel Farage) resigned after they "won" and admitted most of the pro-brexit campaign was bullshit (such as NHS funding). This was very much a con many people would like to reverse.
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