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Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#81
I got an Air mid 2013 for $2200 NZD and that has been my main dev machine for the last 5 years.

I was going to buy a new MacBook after the latest round of updates but the price was insane.

Ended up building a Ryzen 2700+ PC with 32gb ram and running a bunch of dev vms on there. Now I just ssh into those from either the pc or my air.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, it's disingenuous to act like resolution or color are metrics of "performance" when the colloquial usage of the word generally refers to processing speed and memory capacity. I/O speed would qualify, but is only one metric; it is correct to say it is outperformed by other machines at lower price points when accounting for the CPU and RAM.

That's cherry-picking specs and definitions. The ""colloquial usage of the word"" very much includes I/O performance; disk speed has historically been the worst bottleneck, aside from network access. Resolution also affects performance: it's how much information you can view at a time. Most cheaper laptops do not present the same value as a MacBook Pro unless you ignore some of the advantages of the MBP you’re compar…

They do. For him. And thinking this way about what you buy is smart :-)

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#83
It's worth switching from Mac to something else in 2018.

1. OSX is still fantastic, a sturdy UNIX like OS. So there will be some friction when you're moving away to an alternative, but it's not as bad as it was in maybe 2015 when windows wasn't even up for consideration as a developer machine for many and Linux variants were far from being non-flaky (because of lack of manufacturer support mostly).

2. Windows is catching up with the introduction of WSL, many developers may now setup their LINUX ready projects completely in Windows.

I switched from Macbook Pro 2013 to ~$1,000 Xiaomi Mi notebook pro (i7, 16GB, Dedicated GX card, better battery, HDMI port, 15inch, Mac like keyboard and touchpad, fingerprint reader). I run a right-swipe virtual machine and run chrome all day without issues. It's a good for 3 years machine. Screen is fullhd though.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

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post #79

Absolutely not. I have the top of the range 15" MacBook Pro and I despise it, it's without question the worst computer I've ever owned. 1. The Touch Bar is appalling if you're at all a touch typist. It puts destructive actions just an accidental brush of the finger tip away. 2. The keyboard is failing all over the place. My left command key has fallen off, and three keys occasionally stick resulting in double entries…

If you’re crashing once a week you’re definitely doing something incorrect on your end. Apple may have poor QA, but there’s no way it’s _that_ poor.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#85

The attraction of programmers to macOS née OS X has always been its UNIX foundations. Programmers love UNIX. Programmers made UNIX for programmers. Unfortunately, from the epoch until very recently, UNIX has had GUIs ranging in quality from absolute shit to mediocre. That's finally changing with Free Desktop (Wayland + GNOME/KDE, and support libraries). OS X gave programmers a UNIX core with a beautiful user interfac…

My favourite UX aspect of OSX is how spotlight works with searching for applications. If the application isn't already open, it launches it. If the application is already open, it brings it to the foreground. In contrast on windows, the search bar seems to just be a launcher. In that if the application is already open and you search for it, it opens a second copy. As far as I could find, this behaviour isn't changeab…

Windows key+1 cycles through windows of the first application, and adding the shift key opens a new window of that application. Just pin the 5-10 most commonly used apps and you're up and away with keyboard navigation.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#86
I own a 2009 MBP and still use it for the few apps that aren't available on my other systems.

My workhorse system is a desktop lotsa RAM, SSD + TBs of HD, triple monitors - and running Ubuntu on it is far better experience than the MBP ever was.

When on the road, I use a ChromeBook or a Lenovo tablet (depending on whether I expect to type much).

Gave up on iPad and iPhone years ago. I used to be an Apple fan, but since Steve Job's passing, the company has become yet another mega-corp chasing profits. The magic is no more.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#87
post #79

Absolutely not. I have the top of the range 15" MacBook Pro and I despise it, it's without question the worst computer I've ever owned. 1. The Touch Bar is appalling if you're at all a touch typist. It puts destructive actions just an accidental brush of the finger tip away. 2. The keyboard is failing all over the place. My left command key has fallen off, and three keys occasionally stick resulting in double entries…

If you’re crashing once a week you’re definitely doing something incorrect on your end. Apple may have poor QA, but there’s no way it’s _that_ poor.

I don't see how you can blame a user for repeated kernel panic issues.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#88
I use the latest 2018 one for work. It's ok but just ok. Personally I will not be buying a MacBook pro as the current models stand.

Not a fan of the touchbar. I accidentally hit buttons on it as i rest the tips of my fingers on the top row, the siri button on the top right above delete was the biggest problem. Likewise I hate the context of the keys switching between apps, the escape key dispersing or volume buttons diapering. I've configured the touchbar to be a fixed constant layout now so the keys do not change however I've had a few instances where it's gone completely blank and had to restart. The lack of tactile feel is a big loss.

I've also had a few times where I thought I hit the famous keyboard issue with dust in the keys. Luckily after a few keypresses whatever was in the keys worked it's way out.

The size etc is nice especially comparing to my 2011 MBP however I feel it's now form over function. The 2011 I pimped out with upgraded memory and SSD, that's no longer possible and you have to spec it up front at cost. The 2015 model I have is probably the best model for form/function however that's still a 2015 model 3 years out of date.

Most of my work is in the terminal, Emacs or tools that run on Linux, the only Mac software I really love and will be hard to loose is 1Password. I've got a 2018 IMac as a desktop which I considered ok value for an all in one with good screen but feel if I need to buy a personal laptop instead of using works, as it stands I'll likely get a Dell XPS or similar and go back to Linux on the desktop. Based on the Surface Book Go being able to run Linux the next gen versions of Surface Book could also be interesting if they also follow the Go.

For me to buy a MBP now they'd have to loose the touchbar, fix the keyboard, come down in price for memory/disk as no longer up-gradable. All unlikely to happen.

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#89
post #79

Absolutely not. I have the top of the range 15" MacBook Pro and I despise it, it's without question the worst computer I've ever owned. 1. The Touch Bar is appalling if you're at all a touch typist. It puts destructive actions just an accidental brush of the finger tip away. 2. The keyboard is failing all over the place. My left command key has fallen off, and three keys occasionally stick resulting in double entries…

If you feel your laptop has made you a permanently angry person, why not sell it and cut your loses?

Re: Ask HN: Is the new MacBook Pro worth its value for a developer?

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re crashing once a week you’re definitely doing something incorrect on your end. Apple may have poor QA, but there’s no way it’s _that_ poor.

I don't see how you can blame a user for repeated kernel panic issues.

You are user spacing it wrong.
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