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YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by neotek »

It might interest some of you to know that youtube-dl has an awesome archive feature which will allow you to scrape a playlist periodically and only download new additions to that playlist.

So when I stumble across a track I like, I just add it to my “favourites” playlist, and my PC at home will automatically download it, convert it to MP3, trim any silence from the beginning and end of the track, attempt to tag it (although that fails more often than not), and it’ll be there waiting for me the next time I feel like sorting through my music download folder.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by danmg »

anoncoward111 wrote: post #11
eyeball wrote: post #2

You can have my youtube-dl when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Right? Also I torrent the shit out of things anyway when I need non-potato-tier audio quality. You can have my Transmission and SkyTorrents over my dead body!

skytorrents shutdown last year.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by framp »

coldtea wrote: post #43
salutonmundo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I was under the impression that there's no legal distinction between "the website sending you a file and you caching it in memory" and "the website sending you a file and you storing it on your hard drive". (Redistributing the file, or breaking DRM, are different matters.)

The have a terms of service, and ripping in this way is against it. "It IS illegal to convert copyrighted music videos into downloads. That said, nobody has been sued for this (yet). Again, it is completely legal to watch any video you want on YouTube. Streaming from a legitimate site is permitted under copyright law. And if it doesn’t involve creating a video mp3 or download, you’re in the clear. But, it IS illegal…

That doesn't look like a reputable source for legal advice.

It is certainly violating YouTube terms of service.

Given the video is available publicly, copying the video is what happens every time you watch it from your computer.

The conversion point doesn't apply as YouTube videos are mp4 and you can just play a mp4 as audio.

I'd argue it's covered by fair use but I'm not a lawyer.

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Post by coldtea »

framp wrote: post #63
coldtea wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The have a terms of service, and ripping in this way is against it. "It IS illegal to convert copyrighted music videos into downloads. That said, nobody has been sued for this (yet). Again, it is completely legal to watch any video you want on YouTube. Streaming from a legitimate site is permitted under copyright law. And if it doesn’t involve creating a video mp3 or download, you’re in the clear. But, it IS illegal…

That doesn't look like a reputable source for legal advice. It is certainly violating YouTube terms of service. Given the video is available publicly, copying the video is what happens every time you watch it from your computer. The conversion point doesn't apply as YouTube videos are mp4 and you can just play a mp4 as audio. I'd argue it's covered by fair use but I'm not a lawyer.

>Given the video is available publicly, copying the video is what happens every time you watch it from your computer.

What's copying technically and what's from a legal perspective is not necessarily the same thing (and one version can be allowed while another is not).

>I'd argue it's covered by fair use but I'm not a lawyer.

Fair use is a US thing.

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Post by Zarath »

imperio59 wrote: post #9
CM30 wrote: post #5

Or their outdated business modal is the biggest threat to their industry. Honestly, my thought on anything like this is 'just go bankrupt and be done with it'. Your business model clearly doesn't work anymore, you may as well just accept it and shut down. Then again, that's my opinion on basically every business complaining to the government about how the internet is taking away their profits/how competitors/startups…

Explain how it's an outdated business model? Content creator (musician, film studio) makes content. They must make money to recoup the costs of making said content so they can (at least) make more of the same content. Are you saying all musicians should just go back to only doing live shows and concerts and give up recording music altogether? This kind of comment just blatantly ignores the fact that there are very re…

I just bought an album for 9 bucks off of bandcamp. What are the record labels for again?

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

sandworm101 wrote: post #48
foxfired wrote: post #28

The biggest piracy threat to the music industry is my sound card. I can record any sound that comes out of the speakers.

So you don't think it possible for an inaudible DRM scheme to be embedded into the music? Perhaps a signal to any digital recorders? I wouldn't put it past Apple to forbid one Apple product from recording anything broadcast by another. This is already a thing in another medium: money. Digital printers, and some software packages, are trained to identify embedded signals to disrupt attempt to scan/print paper currency…

So you don't think it possible for an inaudible DRM scheme to be embedded into the music?

This exists commercially: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

I don't know if it's truly "inaudible", maybe some experts can detect it? But probably 99% of people can't.

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Post by catdog »

bootlooped wrote: post #32
sharkjacobs wrote: post #24

This doesn't make any sense to me. My impression is that listening to locally stored mp3 files is becoming less and less common in favor of streaming music services.

"Websites dedicated to “stream ripping” music from YouTube represent the biggest threat to the global music business, industry figures have warned... ... estimates suggesting that a third of 16-24-year-olds in the UK have ripped music from the Google-owned platform." I find the "1 in 3 young people have done it" highly suspect, especially if that estimate comes from "industry figures". Even if that were true, "1 in 3…

This alarmist thing is going on for decades now ("Home Taping Is Killing Music") but the music industry still exists.

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Post by cududa »

jordigh wrote: post #44
fasafsaf3 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they did with HDMI?

Wait, what? There's DRM in HDMI? Bloody hell! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... Stop protecting bytes from being copied!

HDCP my dude. Take a jog up history

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Post by crtasm »

i_am_nomad wrote: post #56
whoopdedo wrote: post #53

We talk about the technical futility of copy protection. Or the erosion of fair use rights. But I have little sympathy for the parasitic websites that have built a business model out of violating Youtube's TOS. When Mozilla recently axed 23 extensions that were leaking browser history, 7 of them were for downloading videos or blocking ads on Youtube. This cottage industry is full of actors much less principled than t…

With regards to the people who install such extensions and end up with spyware, I’m reminded of the saying, “It’s hard to cheat an honest person.”

I don't know about that, there's plenty of innocuous extensions that either started off with hidden bad intentions or sold their userbase and went rogue.
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