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Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by nyolfen »

scottlegrand2 wrote: post #94
394549 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no? You misunderstand. No one cares about Alice's personal life, karma, or happiness. All they care about is manipulating Alice and what a manipulated Alice might do. Alice's desire to hide her cheating from her spouse could lead Bob's trade secrets to getting stolen. Bob did nothing wrong here to have his "cycle of karma closing the loop."

Never give Alice your passwords and always have a lock code on your cell phone. Anything else is a moral hazard in my opinion. Bob is complicit in this case IMO. If my spouse were to attempt to extract data from my work laptop she would run smack-dab into my password. If on the other hand Bob has extracted highly confidential data onto a freely available machine, then Bob is not only complicit, Bob is culpable. Don't…

i read the example as alice being an employee of bob, not a spouse

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Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by marmot777 »

faitswulff wrote: post #4

I found it interesting that the espionage is largely aimed at the private sector and not the government: > About 70 percent of China’s overall espionage is aimed at the U.S. private sector, rather than the government, said Joshua Skule, the head of the FBI’s intelligence division, which is charged with countering foreign espionage in the United States. > “They are conducting economic espionage at a rate that is unpar…

Econ theft seems to be their main goal. It's a shame they they feel they have to lower themslves to stealing secrets when they have their own capabilities that they should have enough confidence in to not have to steal.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by marmot777 »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #57
faitswulff wrote: post #4

I found it interesting that the espionage is largely aimed at the private sector and not the government: > About 70 percent of China’s overall espionage is aimed at the U.S. private sector, rather than the government, said Joshua Skule, the head of the FBI’s intelligence division, which is charged with countering foreign espionage in the United States. > “They are conducting economic espionage at a rate that is unpar…

Seems reasonable that the Chinese feel like they have more to gain through economic espionage against the US than they do through political espionage. I would guess there are countries against whom the Chinese would do the opposite, where economic espionage isn't worthwhile but compromising the government is. The US, on the other hand, probably has more to gain through political espionage against the Chinese than thr…

Isn't it sort of sad that they are stealing technology rather than making use of their own talents? Individuals don't feel good when they steal, so it must have some sort of effect on a society.

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Post by marmot777 »

toast_coder wrote: post #13
monocasa wrote: post #9

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Why? That's the proven strategy to leapfrog yourself into a developed economy. It's what the US, Germany, and Japan all did.

The US, Germany, and Japan are all technology leaders. None of those nations leapfrogged into a developed nation by copying others.

There's a difference between copying and outright theft.

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Post by checkyoursudo »

marmot777 wrote: post #115
checkyoursudo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems reasonable that the Chinese feel like they have more to gain through economic espionage against the US than they do through political espionage. I would guess there are countries against whom the Chinese would do the opposite, where economic espionage isn't worthwhile but compromising the government is. The US, on the other hand, probably has more to gain through political espionage against the Chinese than thr…

Isn't it sort of sad that they are stealing technology rather than making use of their own talents? Individuals don't feel good when they steal, so it must have some sort of effect on a society.

Is it sad, as a society? I don't know.

For me, personally, yeah, it's very dishonorable to my worldview. I would prefer alliances and collaboration and the betterment of all people rather than protectionism and distrust and zero-sum attitudes and behaviors.

Hypothetically, what if their talents were indeed to steal stuff and get ahead by appropriating the work of others? Would it then be sad if they didn't put those talents to good use?

I have no idea if all people do or don't feel good when they steal, but I would have guessed that some people do in fact feel good when they steal. Perhaps the badness that the people-who-do-the-stealing-for-their-society feel is outweighed by the overall goodness that the rest of society feels because of their advancement in (stolen) technology and the economic and societal benefits that come with that?

But, yes, in the end, I personally would rather not have some technology than to acquire it by means contrary to my values. I know an awful lot of people whom I believe, or even know, would either say the opposite or would be indifferent.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by robotbikes »

marmot777 wrote: post #115
checkyoursudo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems reasonable that the Chinese feel like they have more to gain through economic espionage against the US than they do through political espionage. I would guess there are countries against whom the Chinese would do the opposite, where economic espionage isn't worthwhile but compromising the government is. The US, on the other hand, probably has more to gain through political espionage against the Chinese than thr…

Isn't it sort of sad that they are stealing technology rather than making use of their own talents? Individuals don't feel good when they steal, so it must have some sort of effect on a society.

Or perhaps it isn't seen through the lens of intellectual property. It could seen as gaining knowledge that would allow one to build things they would otherwise not. From what I understand the Chinese culture treats IP very differently than the US. It isn't treated as being owned but people share documentation and the like with people they like. Westerners have a much more legalistic framework for how we treat our ideas. The notion that someone should be able to use the force of the government to prevent others from using their idea isn't necessarily a given but instead the result of certain traditions and institutions. I know the US corporations would like to push these ideas into being part of a binding framework of world trade but this primarily benefits the large corporations that have invested in research, accumulated patents and want to control the world so that they can profit.

A lot of the espionage is probably also about gaining knowledge about firms for the purpose of understanding their weaknesses and the lay of the land vs. simply figuring out their secret sauce. I remember reading this was a common practice for Russian intelligence agents who didn't trust the official numbers and so wanted to gain proprietary knowledge from industry insiders.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by marmot777 »

robotbikes wrote: post #118
marmot777 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it sort of sad that they are stealing technology rather than making use of their own talents? Individuals don't feel good when they steal, so it must have some sort of effect on a society.

Or perhaps it isn't seen through the lens of intellectual property. It could seen as gaining knowledge that would allow one to build things they would otherwise not. From what I understand the Chinese culture treats IP very differently than the US. It isn't treated as being owned but people share documentation and the like with people they like. Westerners have a much more legalistic framework for how we treat our id…

Yes, I agree it’s cultural norms and so on but stealing IP is stealing the product of a lot of hard work. Imagine if you had an idea stored in a document and someone just stole it. There’s a certain universality about theft being wrong at a gut level.

Also, much of this theft involves breaking into other peoples computers. It’s wilfull violation of someone else in multiple ways. Breaking into a computer is as low as robbing a liquor store and I suspect thst everyone, even the perpetrators, feels that at a vicersl level.

Re: Chief U.S. spy catcher says China using LinkedIn to recruit Americans

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Post by 394549 »

scottlegrand2 wrote: post #94
394549 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At which point that's just the cycle of karma closing the loop, no? You misunderstand. No one cares about Alice's personal life, karma, or happiness. All they care about is manipulating Alice and what a manipulated Alice might do. Alice's desire to hide her cheating from her spouse could lead Bob's trade secrets to getting stolen. Bob did nothing wrong here to have his "cycle of karma closing the loop."

Never give Alice your passwords and always have a lock code on your cell phone. Anything else is a moral hazard in my opinion. Bob is complicit in this case IMO. If my spouse were to attempt to extract data from my work laptop she would run smack-dab into my password. If on the other hand Bob has extracted highly confidential data onto a freely available machine, then Bob is not only complicit, Bob is culpable. Don't…

You misunderstand again. Bob isn't Alice's spouse, he's Alice's employer. Bob legitimately gave Alice access to confidential information in order to do her job. But, unknown to him (unless he intrusively investigated her personal life), Alice could be blackmailed into abusing that access because she cheated on her spouse.

Bob isn't "complicit" or "culpable" he's a victim.

I think you're overconfident in simple security measures and have a poor understanding of human security threats.

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