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Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by sjtgraham »

anon102051 wrote: post #40
clon wrote: post #17

https://neomutt.org/ The guy is absolutely right. Mutt is not a gimmick like ascii video on terminal. It actually makes a lot of sense as an email client and is surprisingly ergonomic. I also enjoy the fact that my config is a normal dotfile that I can version control etc. Also, your passwords can be encrypted using the tools that you choose, as opposed to whatever home grown crypto (if any) the [insert random Electr…

What companies would let me use Mutt for email? I have a long list of ideal characteristics for an employer but have decided that a simple test might be that they let me use Mutt.

I have never worked in a job where even a single person cared about one's choice of email client.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by gumby »

amelius wrote: post #33
pq0ak2nnd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO The 20+ years spent trying to make a desktop version of linux has SEVERELY reduced overall knowledge of unix practices and patterns. I'm not just talking about things like automake or the contents in /bin that younger programmers never learn, but the CLI in general. A while back I was working with an intern who as struggling with using distributed linux boxes because all he knew was Gnome: the CLI was utterly fo…

But if you had to do something now on some alien OS that you didn't know the internals of, wouldn't you prefer a GUI?

No, that would be the worst of all.

You'd have to hunt around for things, hope that whatever you were doing didn't have weird unpredictable effects, and was repeatable. While you could write down everything you typed, and some precis of what resulted, or even in some cases record the result (eg ssh-ing to a machine from inside an emacs buffer or something like that.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by catern »

amelius wrote: post #38
catern wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my responsibility to organize things such that what I need to do matches up with what I know how to do. If I need to do something urgently on an alien OS and I don't immediately know how to do it, the failure doesn't lie with the OS. Why am I not using an OS that I know better? Why don't I have time to read the documentation and understand this alien OS?

Because, unless you are an IT person, your job is to do work now , which is unrelated to the OS.

Your job is also to do work in the future. You should be prepared for the future.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

#44

Post by tomcooks »

Having wasted my childhood lurking the (unfortunately stale) KMandla's precious blogposts [0] to find new ways to squeeze functionality out of my EeePC701, I did not really find this video particularly interesting.

Maybe i'm not the target audience.

[0](https://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/10/19/howto-switch-to-a-c...)

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

#45

Post by tomcooks »

amelius wrote: post #33
pq0ak2nnd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO The 20+ years spent trying to make a desktop version of linux has SEVERELY reduced overall knowledge of unix practices and patterns. I'm not just talking about things like automake or the contents in /bin that younger programmers never learn, but the CLI in general. A while back I was working with an intern who as struggling with using distributed linux boxes because all he knew was Gnome: the CLI was utterly fo…

But if you had to do something now on some alien OS that you didn't know the internals of, wouldn't you prefer a GUI?

Personally I'd go for the old school, yet very reliable, way of R T F M.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by glandium »

merraksh wrote: post #6
amanzi wrote: post #2

How can I watch this YouTube video using just my terminal?

This will display the video as ASCII art: vlc -V aa For color ASCII he suggests vlc -v caca

Ironically, displaying that video with this method will make it unreadable.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by jlarocco »

amelius wrote: post #33
pq0ak2nnd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO The 20+ years spent trying to make a desktop version of linux has SEVERELY reduced overall knowledge of unix practices and patterns. I'm not just talking about things like automake or the contents in /bin that younger programmers never learn, but the CLI in general. A while back I was working with an intern who as struggling with using distributed linux boxes because all he knew was Gnome: the CLI was utterly fo…

But if you had to do something now on some alien OS that you didn't know the internals of, wouldn't you prefer a GUI?

This is a personal preference, but I wouldn't. With a terminal it's clear I have to type something in to use it and I can use knowledge of other systems to start trying things and learn what's going on.

And not all GUIs are tailored for novice users. I use StumpWM, and despite being a GUI system, it'd be very difficult for a new user without some instruction.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by jlarocco »

amelius wrote: post #38
catern wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my responsibility to organize things such that what I need to do matches up with what I know how to do. If I need to do something urgently on an alien OS and I don't immediately know how to do it, the failure doesn't lie with the OS. Why am I not using an OS that I know better? Why don't I have time to read the documentation and understand this alien OS?

Because, unless you are an IT person, your job is to do work now , which is unrelated to the OS.

That's really not how it works, though. Even fast food workers get training on the software and tools they have to use.

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by sitkack »

rsync wrote: post #26
clon wrote: post #17

https://neomutt.org/ The guy is absolutely right. Mutt is not a gimmick like ascii video on terminal. It actually makes a lot of sense as an email client and is surprisingly ergonomic. I also enjoy the fact that my config is a normal dotfile that I can version control etc. Also, your passwords can be encrypted using the tools that you choose, as opposed to whatever home grown crypto (if any) the [insert random Electr…

"The guy is absolutely right. Mutt is not a gimmick like ascii video on terminal." I personally use (al)pine and I could not agree more. But here is a different, and I hope very provocative, reason that you should consider a terminal email client: Local mail delivery does not traverse the Internet, or any network. So, for instance, when I send an email to one of my engineers at rsync.net, even though it is sent in pl…

Is Alpine still getting security updates? UW doesn't maintain it anymore, like at all. It exists as git repo out in the ether [1]

I'd probably run it in a non-privileged container.

Infact, I should be doing that for Mutt ...

[1] http://repo.or.cz/alpine.git

Re: Can you use the terminal for everything? [video]

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Post by sitkack »

glandium wrote: post #46
merraksh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will display the video as ASCII art: vlc -V aa For color ASCII he suggests vlc -v caca

Ironically, displaying that video with this method will make it unreadable.

Well, the OP should have posted it as https://asciinema.org/
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