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YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by shawn »

coldtea wrote: post #49
shawn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I’m not saying it’s unfair. I’m saying it won’t work.” Companies exist to serve their customers. The companies that forget this tend to decline.

> Companies exist to serve their customers. No problem then, because those who get their songs off of YouTube are not their customers (or, in any case, are not their customers for those particular songs).

That's a bit like saying "No problem, we just won't make money then." Netflix seems to be a good example of forward thinking.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by icebraining »

nathcd wrote: post #21

Seems pretty likely that YouTube will switch to EME at some point, doesn't it? Seems like record labels and the like would be demanding it. When and if that happens, I hope PeerTube and other video hosts can take off in the fediverse.

They are already using EME (specifically Widevine, which is developed by Google itself) on some videos. As far as I know, youtube-dl is perfectly capable of removing it.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by whoopdedo »

We talk about the technical futility of copy protection. Or the erosion of fair use rights. But I have little sympathy for the parasitic websites that have built a business model out of violating Youtube's TOS. When Mozilla recently axed 23 extensions that were leaking browser history, 7 of them were for downloading videos or blocking ads on Youtube. This cottage industry is full of actors much less principled than the copyright cartel.

Now, if Google was smart they'd find a way to sell downloads. But good luck getting the media licensers to agree to it.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by ajnin »

coldtea wrote: post #34
contravariant wrote: post #6

Downloading the sound of youtube videos is illegal now?

It has always been illegal. Both for songs and for regular videos, even vlogs. You don't have the copyright to the recording, the creator of the video (or the owner for the sync/mechanical rights for a piece of music) has.

Not true, at least not everywhere, for instance in France, there is a right to make a copy of a copyrighted work for one's own private use. Or rather, this is not a right but an exception to the right of the copyright holder who cannot restrict that specific usage. A tax is paid on each blank media sold and distribited to copyright holders in compensation.

There are similar laws in Germany, Belgium, Spain, and maybe other countries.

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by arbie »

y4mi wrote: post #19
bArray wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be completely honest, I can't really tell the difference between a high bit rate MP3 and a WAV file. For videos I can see the value though, anything below 720 is quite obvious.

YouTube audio isn't high quality though... I think it's 128k

I thought 1080p videos used 160kbps audio?

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by i_am_nomad »

whoopdedo wrote: post #53

We talk about the technical futility of copy protection. Or the erosion of fair use rights. But I have little sympathy for the parasitic websites that have built a business model out of violating Youtube's TOS. When Mozilla recently axed 23 extensions that were leaking browser history, 7 of them were for downloading videos or blocking ads on Youtube. This cottage industry is full of actors much less principled than t…

With regards to the people who install such extensions and end up with spyware, I’m reminded of the saying, “It’s hard to cheat an honest person.”

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Post by downrightmike »

whoopdedo wrote: post #53

We talk about the technical futility of copy protection. Or the erosion of fair use rights. But I have little sympathy for the parasitic websites that have built a business model out of violating Youtube's TOS. When Mozilla recently axed 23 extensions that were leaking browser history, 7 of them were for downloading videos or blocking ads on Youtube. This cottage industry is full of actors much less principled than t…

"Hey, you've streamed this 10 times, would you like to download and save us bandwidth?"

Re: YouTube download sites are “biggest piracy threat” to music industry

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Post by coldtea »

shawn wrote: post #51
coldtea wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Companies exist to serve their customers. No problem then, because those who get their songs off of YouTube are not their customers (or, in any case, are not their customers for those particular songs).

That's a bit like saying "No problem, we just won't make money then." Netflix seems to be a good example of forward thinking.

>Netflix seems to be a good example of forward thinking.

We already have content from the music companies to streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music, which is exactly what Netflix does.

In fact we had streaming services for music long before Netflix was a thing (e.g. Real's), so theirs is hardly "forward thinking".

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Post by jazzyjackson »

jordigh wrote: post #44
fasafsaf3 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they did with HDMI?

Wait, what? There's DRM in HDMI? Bloody hell! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... Stop protecting bytes from being copied!

Which of course is added complexity and a source of incompatibility between playback devices and screens. Can't count the number of times in the early years of HDMI that I couldn't play a DVD because my projector didn't support it.

On the other hand, the pirated copy still worked great.

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