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Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Maybe another influencing factor is parents who prefer that their toddlers only have contact with children of other parents who are somewhat like them. Thus, children are encouraged to create fewer friendships from an early age on.

The parents are not overprotective, or rather in a very specific way.

If that is so - (I'm just speculating here) - what we're seeing now is just the beginning of a trend that will continue for a very long time.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you 100% but I have an interesting personal anecdote, pretty much the opposite. When I was young I was very shy, painfully shy even into my early 20s. All social outings were family reunions or church. But I liked computers. So in the early 1990s I bought a computer and tried this thing called the Internet. By chance I discovered IRC. It was a world of strangers who interacted in real time. I could conve…

IRC back in the days was literally another world. It was something special. You could bond with other online users like family members even though the only thing you knew about them was their nickname. We have more advance technologies now but we would never be able to experience anything like IRC again. Slack and Discord servers today are not even close.

There's a word for the phenomenon you describe: nostalgia.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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This all hits home, and I agree with a lot of the points on social media. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just quitting. When I stopped using Facebook at the start of this year, my loneliness got much higher. There's less ways to meet people outside of the internet now. For awhile, I was visiting a hacker-space outside of $WORK, but everyone is already involved with everyone else and it's tough to break into a soc…

I feel this really acutely right now. I'm finding that it takes about 3 years of conscious, dedicated, effort to build a small circle of friends as an adult. It feels like all forces are against you in the process because there is nothing tying anyone to anyone else. Everyone is free to just change course, leave town, get into a new hobby. So keeping a group of 10 folks together? Be ready for some monumental effort!

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option. There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerate…

For people between 25 and 54, in America, there are almost exactly as many men as women, to within less than one percent. [0] So if you see more men than women around you, that's a filter bubble that you've artificially put yourself in. Therefore the converse must be that there are many other places in America where there are more women than men.

So go out, socialize, get away from your bubble, and meet other people.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option. There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerate…

Where do you think the women are all hiding?

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn’t address the point - which is that as a whole, micro-interactions are reducing. Just because you have the option, doesn’t mean people are doing it as much. It doesn't matter if people aren't doing it as much. It only matters what you're doing. If you goto the grocery store, or the bank, or a shop or anything like that, there's always going to be tellers handling customers. Your opportunities haven't gon…

> It doesn't matter if people aren't doing it as much. Yes it does. Threads of society are being cut, which is not only causing loneliness, but also emotional distancing, political polarization, demonizing folks in other camps, etc.

> Yes it does. Threads of society are being cut, which is not only causing loneliness, but also emotional distancing, political polarization, demonizing folks in other camps, etc.

The post I replied to mentioned specifically small talk with various clerks and tellers.

Those clerks and tellers are still there today, just like they were 20 years ago. If you walk into any of those stores listed, you'll find human beings present to have micro social interactions with.

I know because I was a teenager back in the mid/late 1990s (no cellphones back then) and I was super shy back then and talked to almost no one except for a small group of close friends. You can't really blame technology for being introverted. It's a lifestyle choice. There's nothing wrong with it too, but you need to be real with yourself and realize you're actively making the choice to live that way.

Nowadays there's an unlimited amount of chances to have micro-conversations. I see it (and do it) every day. I mean just today I went to the post office because I wanted to ship a box. It's a rare occurrence, but I saw some women standing on a separate line waiting for a passport. So I approached her and asked how long do passports last nowadays and we got to talking. Next thing you know, we're 1 minute into talking. It ended when they called her up, and that was it. Micro social interaction complete.

I think blaming technology is just a cop out. If you went to a concert or something, I'm sure you'd have an opportunity to talk to dozens of people, but if you choose to stand there with your face buried in a phone and not talk to anyone then you can't blame your phone for loneliness. It's on you.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option. There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerate…

In the US too there is a trend of women taking over the work force due to the nature of where the economy is headed. The kinds of jobs that need doing are jobs that women excel at. Less and less manual labor, more and more intellectual and social labor.

There is a huge shift taking place in society, and while I don't think it is a bad thing, there will certainly be a lot of discomfort while society adapts.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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post #115

My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option. There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerate…

Where do you think the women are all hiding?

OP probably works in a city packed with male-dominated industries, and works in a male dominated industry himself. As a software engineer myself, I find this perfectly understandable. When I took a work trip to NYC and spent time in the financial sector, I was blown away by how many women were around me.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Smartphone use is the symptom, not the cause of loneliness. Young people today are forbidden the tools used by past generations to counter loneliness. Ask an urban highschooler how often they just hung out at a friend's house, or in a public place, for more than an hour or two. Teenagers today are busy. They have homework and courses to do after school. They are supervised, chaperoned, by adults far more than previou…

This is an interesting hypothesis. I can definitely see this being true outside of major urban centers. Public transit seems to be the remedy for teenagers doesn't it? When I was a kid, my parents had to drive me everywhere, and I'm thankful they did! I would have had zero friends otherwise.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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post #115

My opinion is that likely mostly impacts men. I see men struggling to find women to date (and the opposite for women, too many men to pick from). The internet and apps have made the dating market very difficult for men in general. Women literally have 100's or 1000's of choices at any given time while men will struggle to have a single option. There are just more men now than ever it seems, and it's really exaggerate…

Where do you think the women are all hiding?

NYC, DC, and a lot of the south.
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