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$600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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So for $350 you can buy much better laptop on ebay. Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-PROBOOK-650-G2-I7-6600U-8GB-256G...

This is a listing for a second-hand laptop, if the Chromebook had been bought second-hand too it would have probably cost significantly less than this.

This "second-hand laptop" is much more powerful than chromebook and can be found for less money. I just use the same price range.

Re: $600 Chromebooks are a dangerous development for Microsoft

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In classic tech journalism fashion, no mention or even apparent knowledge of Microsoft's own efforts in this area: Polaris, Core OS, OneCore, and CShell [1] [2] [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os... [2] https://youtu.be/F_bPcctTV_Y

all things so small no one has ever heard of them though

Windows Core OS is literally the next major OS from Windows (though who knows if they'll just silently upgrade Win10 without a name change or what). Its not small. The point is to create a modularized operating system, built on OneCore, where they can add or remove major features depending on the platform it is deployed to (even features as big as Win32 support).

Andromeda is the codename for their revitalized smartphone effort. Polaris is the codename for their "windows minus the legacy" experience on desktop; no Win32, just UWP, capable of running on significantly less powerful hardware.

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> Xiaomi laptops are excellent machines to run Linux on (thanks to having just Intel components) Which ones exactly? Do you have resources? The ones I've seen sport Nvidia GPUs [1] [2]. Which means no Wayland, and only proprietary drivers. Not "excellent" or "just Intel components" in my book. [1] https://www.banggood.com/XiaoMi-Gaming-Laptop-Intel-Core-I7-... [2] https://www.banggood.com/Xiaomi-Pro-Notebook-15_6-Inc…

Air 12 inch, Intel HD Graphics: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/xiaomi-air-12-review...

Good bang for the buck but I want at least 8 GB DDR4 in a new laptop (bought in 2018), and preferably also TB3 and an AMD GPU.

Regardless of the other unnecessary or lacking features Macbook laptops have (butterfly keyboard, touchbar, magsafe, USB-A ports come to mind) if you want a decent amount of RAM and an AMD GPU you pay the jackpot price on MBPs.

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FTA: "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get." I wonder what the maximum penetration was for Windows OSes on phon…

To be fair, after over a decade of trying, Apple still only has 15% market share. If Microsoft had the other 85%, they'd be in a good position.

Thouh its about 45% in the US, and similar levels in OECD countries.

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Where's the data that chromebooks have shorter useful lives than other laptops in the same price class? Other laptops on average? It's possible that's the case, but not obvious to me.

How much of a lifetime could a device with soldered on 2GB of RAM and 32GB of eMMC storage have? How much repurposed could it be? Pricier Chromebooks with HiDPI screens and Core-M or better processors are still castrated in one way or the other comparing to general computing devices, yet approaching their price levels. What's the point for a developer? "It just works"? "It's just safe!" due to mandatory secure boot a…

How many laptops are ever upgraded? You're stuck with the original processor and whatever wear and tear the thing has accumulated. I know I have a small stack of obsolete or half-dead laptops from across the years, and the only upgrade that was ever worth the hassle was hard disk -> SSD.

The "just works" aspect is extremely useful for non-expert users.

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The iPhone was beating MS phones before Android was even a thing[0]. They were certainly way more than "2% or 3%" in the markets they operated in. I can't see how Ballmer's statement was even slightly correct. [0] https://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/05/iphone-with-28-of-u-s-s...

I don't think "2% or 3%" was very realistic, but you have to remember that when the iPhone first came out it wasn't very good. I didn't have 3G, GPS or App Store (nor a couple of other things). Apple was certainly ahead, but the market also wasn't ready nor big at that. When it actually matured there were a couple of solid offerings including from Microsoft, which among other things had arguably better design than An…

> (nor a couple of other things).

Some other fun ones to mention:

didn't let you copy/paste text (for the first 2 years of iPhone), didn't let you record video, and didn't let you make a selfie while looking at the screen. (no front-facing camera)

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This article misses the mark completely by assuming that Microsoft still needs Windows to stay afloat. This hasn't been true for years. They have realized that it doesn't matter whether you use Windows, Chrome OS, Android or Linux, or anything else: everything is in the cloud now, so the OS is pretty much irrelevant. Azure, Office 365 and heck, even Linkedin are doing great: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/19/m…

I think that's quite a bit premature. Yes, Microsoft has done a great job diversifying of late, but Windows is still a huge percentage of their revenue. Also, my guess is that people that use Windows are much more likely to use Office (even the cloud version), which is the next biggest part of their revenue.

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> if I wipe out Android and I install a self compiled AOSP, it's a superb user experience for me. It's doesn't resolve the tracking issues.

Why not? I'm running vanilla AOSP with F-Droid apps only. No Google Apps framework. Threats are limited then to regular baseband radio issues. I know I could be doing better if we had open hardware, but that's the most practical solution I can implement today I think.

That does solve the tracking issues, parent assumed you flashed OpenGapps w/it.

You can also run microG (LOS + microG I recommend; what I use on my smartphone) which contains UnifedNlp for location services.

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One thing that's good about Chromebook is that if I save something, it's in one of two places - Downloads folder or Gdrive. On Windows it could be in Downloads, Desktop, My Docs, some random file, Onedrive, Gdrive, etc etc. I realize this is not a big deal but given so many choices, ultimately files will multiply and spread everywhere.

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Which Xiaomi laptop is good with Linux Mint? Are they better than Lenovo?

The Xiaomi Air 12 is really good quality for ~$550 if you go for the m3 CPU. It's fanless (but only 4 GB of RAM), which is something I love. It's a different price point than Lenovo. Much cheaper. They are good ultrabooks. Regardless of the CPU you choose (e.g. i5 has 8 GB, but it's not fanless), all 12 inch models have Intel components only, including the wireless card. It's one of the few laptops that truly runs we…

There's a few ThinkPads where you can remove the BIOS and replace it with Coreboot, and remove Intel ME as well. For example the ThinkPad T60 and X200, available on second hand market. Replace the keyboard if you find it dirty to use those 2nd hand. The advantage these have is the hardware is serviceable by the user.
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