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Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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I can think of nothing more insufferable than being surrounded by wealthy people who are business-driven. Why does it have to be a “founders” hike? Why can’t people just fucking get together and hike?

I would be very surprised if anyone who would join a Founders Hike is wealthy as a founder, especially if they are suffering from loneliness.

You’d be surprised how many of the billion dollar company founders I coach come in the door with deep loneliness.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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I am going to say something very unpopular just for discussion reasons: What if, IF, by having so much information at hand and telling each other how much live sucks, we've created a situation of mass induced depression based on hypochondria?

I honestly can't bear opening up any sort of social media sites other than HN because it's all absolutely full of people "joking" about how miserable mere existence is and how funny wanting to die is.

There are many people out there with depression and who struggle with this everyday. Some people joke about it as a coping mechanism. But too many people are latching onto it as a joke, and I think they're turning it into their own reality. Seemingly everyone my age "jokes" all the time about wanting to die and it's becoming "normal" humor. That can't be healthy.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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I can think of nothing more insufferable than being surrounded by wealthy people who are business-driven. Why does it have to be a “founders” hike? Why can’t people just fucking get together and hike?

Probably just a few wannabes. In any case yes, a great way to not have a good time

Be sure to not email me for an invite! But I encourage you to do things that you enjoy doing.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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This was commonly understood in medieval times. Aquinas says our mutual dependency forms social ties.

This is kind out of scope, but ever since Deus Ex (the game), I have wondered what the big deal about Aquinas is. Never found his work all that interesting.

I did not understand most of what he wrote. I thought he was being too obtuse. So I have been reading contemporary explanations of his ideas ( like those from Edward Feser ). I have a slightly better opinion of Acquinas today

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Have you seen the movie "Shawshank Redemption"? It makes an interesting point about becoming institutionalized. There was an inmate that was released after ~50 years,he committed suicide because he couldn't adopt to living outside of the prison system.

What they call the loneliness epidemic these days is a bit like that. In fact,I would say loneliness is social imprisonment. For one reason or the other individuals end up lacking the skills needed to develop meaningful social relationships,the opportunities are there but the skills are lacking.

Much like becoming institutionalized, prolonged loneliness becomes a dependency in itself. At first you try everything you can to escape from the prison,then you learn to tolerate it,then you can't function outside of it.

I said all this to make one important point: For most people who experience prolonged loneliness,It's not lack of solutions or opportunities that keeps them lonely.

Not just in the US or the west but for all people,the importance of teaching children proper social skills needs to be communicated much like communicating the importance of good nutrition and hygeine has reduced preventable diseases throught the world.

For adults,I honestly don't know of any solution other than to continue creating opportunities for social interactions. It takes a lot of time,patience and practice to learn to make more friends and socialize once you settle down as a working adult.

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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This is kind out of scope, but ever since Deus Ex (the game), I have wondered what the big deal about Aquinas is. Never found his work all that interesting.

Could you explain, for people who don't know that game?

http://deusex.wikia.com/wiki/Aquinas plus the wikipedia article on Aquinas. Basically, he developed what were regarded at the time as deductive "proofs" for the 'self-evident' truths of Catholicism, popularising some lateral thinking around the church's teachings which was a break from the contemporary norm of "this is true because the man in the funny hat who can read the big book says that's what the book says".

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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I agree with you 100% but I have an interesting personal anecdote, pretty much the opposite. When I was young I was very shy, painfully shy even into my early 20s. All social outings were family reunions or church. But I liked computers. So in the early 1990s I bought a computer and tried this thing called the Internet. By chance I discovered IRC. It was a world of strangers who interacted in real time. I could conve…

IRC back in the days was literally another world. It was something special. You could bond with other online users like family members even though the only thing you knew about them was their nickname. We have more advance technologies now but we would never be able to experience anything like IRC again. Slack and Discord servers today are not even close.

>> Slack and Discord servers today are not even close.

Is it true ? i remember reading that game communities are a very good place to meet new friends. Is it true ? why ?

Also are there any other good places online ?

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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Another thing I wondered about is the impact of automation and volatility on, for lack of a better word 'involuntary' micro social interactions. Until fairly recently people had 'forced' social interactions when doing their finances, shopping etc. Even if involuntary they 'trained' people's social skills and withered away at their acquired/innate social anxiety. Furthermore, even in these situations the persons you i…

I find the occasional conversation with an Uber/Lyft driver something that many of my friends actively talk about. It does feel like a very unique social interaction that is distinct from (at least) my experience with taxis or any other form pf transit (i.e. more likely to sit in front, no barrier between rider and driver, more "casual" drivers)

Re: Loneliness is pervasive and rising, particularly among the young

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There have always been people who wanted to be lonely though, just as there have always been people who wanted constant socializing. Both have their own problems when taken to extremes, i.e: Extreme socialization leads to group-think and collectivism[1], and extreme loneliness leads to despair and becoming overly withdrawn. I (personally) try to find a balance between the two, often withdrawing back into a hermit existence after some socializing.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism

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