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Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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I apologise for the following unstructured stream of unconsciousness. It would be interesting to know what age group you are in as that could well colour your perspective. For me, my anecdata leads me to believe it is very hard to get on the wealth ladder. I have built this perspective from associating with people ranging from backgrounds of very working class to ultra high net worth people. We live in a world where…

What is your comparison point? Things get better all the time, but it really depends on what apples you compare which oranges to, and which flavour you prefer, how the comparison is viewed. So, is the comparison point Roman London? During the Blitz? When Pea Soup was a common pollution issue ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_soup_fog )? Or is it a period post war until about 1980 when assets hadn't caught up to a b…

>What is your comparison point?

I guess my parent's generation i.e. post-WW2. Your insight about assets not catching up is valid, although social mobility was very high for the times.

>In such places, housing is likely prohibitively expensive for almost everyone, as the market size (aka demand) is every person in the world worth north of $USD 10 million in the entire world. That market is a LOT larger than even ten years ago, and has a motivated population (the Chinese) who prefer foreign assets over local ones.

This is presentation of facts I've previously struggled to articulate so thank you for framing it much more lucidly than I ever could have. This particular insight unfortunately somewhat agrees with my viewpoint that "global inequality has gone down but local inequality has gone up globally". Like I said, I haven't got any data to prove it, but I would willingly put money on betting that there is some Simpson's paradox schenanigans going on here. China, if anything, is a great example of this - the Beijing middle classes are doing "o.k." and there are tonnes of billionaires in China, but equally, there are plenty of people still living on 100USD a month (or less).

>Ironically, I think what you parents did is the same way everyone today could make great wealth - move to a city in another country with opportunity. My ex moved to Beijing and made 1st world money while spending like a local - so > $100K with expenses under $1K a month.

I think that is a fair point, the only difference I'd argue, is that my parents came to the UK and did well for themselves by playing the same game as most the people around them. Sure, I could move to China on an expat salary (I have recollections of 200k PA USD for "english teachers" in South Korea being passed around a while back, or teachers at Harrow Beijing getting paid 100k+ PA) but is that really something any of the locals can do there? That's almost soft colonisation in my eyes. I recently had a chance to discuss local software engineer salaries with a local mainlander and he quoted salaries of 20-30k USD for fresh CS grads in ShenZhen. And he scoffed as if that was a big number. Really puts things into perspective when you compare that to Ivy CS fresh-grads in SV (120-200k when I last checked)...

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I apologise for the following unstructured stream of unconsciousness. It would be interesting to know what age group you are in as that could well colour your perspective. For me, my anecdata leads me to believe it is very hard to get on the wealth ladder. I have built this perspective from associating with people ranging from backgrounds of very working class to ultra high net worth people. We live in a world where…

> most people are struggling to move out of home This smells like selection bias. The people who aren't struggling that badly aren't complaining about it! 32% of americans 18-35 live at home [0], but that isn't an all-time high -- in 1940, for instance, approximately 35 percent of people in that age range lived at home. [0] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/24/479327382...

Forgive my hyperbole, and yes I probably live in a London bubble which biases my personal anecdata set, but the data you've shared is a U shaped* which starts at the 1940s and is on a trajectory for arriving back there.

* with the exception of the Black demographic

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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>(P.S. Before you go 'but even for knowledge workers nothing beats working together', you can be right, but do we need the 'gold-standard' of collaboration every working day now that the alternatives are for most business activities more than good enough and still getting better with each year) Probably not, but you also need to consider the second order effects. If it's not expected that you be in the office often,…

Thing is, if you ask your friends why they chose to settle down in the place they are living, it is very rarely 'because it was close to the office'. I think that is a direct consequence of the 'volatility' of work. Your grandparents might have expected the company they joined in their teens to employ them for the rest of their lives. This sounds alien today. Not many people take it to the extreme of working with a l…

Part of what makes hip, bustling cities hip is that living there makes you close to many offices. I have a plethora of employment options within a 1 hour commute from me in a major city in a way I would not somewhere far flung. The hipness is nice, but really it's a hedge against being laid off and having to pick up stakes if I am.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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It's not reasonable to expect your employer to pay for your commute time if you don't use that commute time to work. You can work for them on the train. You shouldn't work for them on the train if you're not getting paid for it, but you're generally also not expected to work on the train. You can't work for them while you're driving. You can think of that driving time as work, but you shouldn't expect your employer t…

I agree with you that there are strong arguments it is not reasonable to expect the employer to cover that cost but I don't think that implies that it isn't work!

....re-reading your comment you are obviously aware of this, please ignore :)

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After declining for nearly one and a half centuries, the time spend per family on salaried employment post WWII has gone up back to around the level it was at the end of the 19th century. While per person average 'working' hours are down in large parts of what we call the Western world, woman were brought en mass into salaried employment, raising the time on the company clock for a family significantly. The cost-of-l…

>After declining for nearly one and a half centuries, the time spend per family on salaried employment post WWII has gone up back to around the level it was at the end of the 19th century. While per person average 'working' hours are down in large parts of what we call the Western world, woman were brought en mass into salaried employment, raising the time on the company clock for a family significantly. >The cost-of…

Your observations aren't imaginations and are shared by some leading economists[1]. The rebuttals to your feelings will often come under the form of a 'the rising tide lifted all boats' from the'trickle down'[2] ideology, and ignore the extreme increase in wealth polarization we have seen over the last decades.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYHT4zJsCdo

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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As a consultant, I've billed for work, regardless of where I did it. At home. On trains and planes. On the beach. In Internet cafes in Amsterdam. Why not?

But on the other hand, I recall being shocked (this was some years ago) when a seriously enterprise-level customer service rep emailed me at midnight. Because, you know, I was billing for reading her message, in 15-minute blocks, but she was paid on a salary basis.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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I’ve largely disconnected from email, both work and personal. I guess one day I just smelled another internal phishing campaign and decided that it would be the last I participated in. After that I informed my bosses that if they needed to reach me then to do so in team chat. The unspoken part of that was, “and if that’s a problem, then fire me, please.”

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Thing is, if you ask your friends why they chose to settle down in the place they are living, it is very rarely 'because it was close to the office'. I think that is a direct consequence of the 'volatility' of work. Your grandparents might have expected the company they joined in their teens to employ them for the rest of their lives. This sounds alien today. Not many people take it to the extreme of working with a l…

Part of what makes hip, bustling cities hip is that living there makes you close to many offices. I have a plethora of employment options within a 1 hour commute from me in a major city in a way I would not somewhere far flung. The hipness is nice, but really it's a hedge against being laid off and having to pick up stakes if I am.

Might be, but all city slickers I know just point to 'nightlife' and proximity to cultural venues (musea, cinema, theater, concert venues, ...) when asked about their living preference.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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As an employee of a charity, I don’t think working off the clock makes sense there either. ;) Charities pay for work just like anyone else. If you like, sure, make a donation. But make sure it’s formal. Otherwise you are robbing someone else of an opportunity to generously support the work AND if the “employee stretching to give” becomes organizational culture it can endanger the entire organization. Burn out is real…

Most of my experience is with non-profit orgs, but unlike a lot of people in the NPO space I have a fair amount of for-profit experience. I think people who work for NPOs tend to burn out at even higher rates than people in for-profit orgs because they get emotionally invested in the mission, fail to set reasonable boundaries, and because they typically make less than people who work for for-profit orgs and therefore…

Thx for sharing these insights. The 'cheap look' of the donation request letters feels to me comparable to those bio-produce where they leave/add some soil on the carrots and potatoes, or the IT startups that love an unfinished industrial look to their office as if they are squatting the place.

Probably for many in the targeted audience the feel of 'authenticity' is important, even when it is manufactured.

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