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Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by K2L8M11N2 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #36
maaaats wrote: post #6

> “[…] thank you for contacting Google Inc. Please note that due to the large number of enquiries, e-mails received at this e-mail address support-de@google.com cannot be read and acknowledged” Google's support in a nutshell.

It’s worse than that: the phrasing is entirely deceptive and misleading. “Thank you for contacting Google”? But the remainder of the message is denying that you actually did contact Google. You tried, but you failed .

You contacted Google's bots, while failing to actually reach any human. In a way you succeeded while also failing.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Jerry2 »

voicedYoda wrote: post #253
Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

Would something like Media Goblin [1] work for you? It's easy to host, you can share the media how you see fit, and you control copyright, and they're are many ways to deploy to keep costs down. I'm not saying this is easier than yt, but there are some trade offs worth making if you want to really have that level of control. [1] https://mediagoblin.org/

>many ways to deploy to keep costs down.

If you or someone else has some suggestions for cheap media hosting, I'm all ears :)

The one thing I miss from Youtube was all the commenters and people who enjoyed me playing. I got a lot of satisfaction from that and it kept me going and posting more videos (it definitely wasn't the money since ad revenue was abysmal).

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by cortesoft »

gnopgnip wrote: post #196
Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

Advertisers, and not content creators or viewers are Youtube's real customer, and their policies align with that. The whole existence of a take down procedure separate from, and more favorable to the take down issuer is evidence of that

Wait, why would an aggressive takedown procedure be favorable for advertisers? Advertisers just want popular videos on which they can put their ads, they don't care if the content is copyrighted or not.

Now, they probably care more about other types of censorship (for example, taking down offensive videos to avoid their brand being associated with them).

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by golem14 »

scatters wrote: post #255
mehrdadn wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am personally abandoning GMail specifically because I want to be able to upload stuff to YouTube Can't you just make another account for videos?

Google will work out that the accounts are operated by the same person and forcibly link them together. They may then decide that you are abusively trying to evade their restrictions and permanently ban all of your accounts.

That's complete nonsense. Have any hard evidence to share?

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by aidenn0 »

danaris wrote: post #84
Piskvorrr wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because without Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (granting many extra years of copyright), Mickey Mouse would be public domain. Simple as that - the agenda is obvious. Expect similar "extension" push as 2024 approaches.

Nope. Mickey Mouse is not subject to copyright. As a character , he's subject to trademark, which allows him to remain under Disney's control for as long as they continue to protect the trademark. What would go into the public domain is Steamboat Willie, the original Mickey Mouse short.

which would allow people to publish fanfiction involving mickey mouse

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by chatmasta »

digi_owl wrote: post #225
ocharles wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait what the hell - getting blocked on YouTube would stop you reading your GMail? Did I really read that correctly?

Yep. You do not have an account on each, you have a Google account that allows you to access all of google's services. And once it is closed, it is game over. Most people didn't notice this until G+ hit the net, and some kids used their gmail account (set up with parental knowledge and support) got closed because G+ found out they were under 13. Others have discovered that if their app on Google Play gets into troubl…

I’m not sure this is entirely true across all services. I’m banned from AdWords (long story, I was slinging açaí berries around 2008 when I was 16...), but my account works for all other google services.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by userbinator »

jandrese wrote: post #213
userbinator wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One party in the dispute is rich and politically powerful, the other is not. ...and ironically, a lot of us are quite worried about the other party also becoming "rich and politically powerful" too (although they do seem to be getting there...)

Youtube artists? I have not seen PewDiePie for President bumper stickers quite yet.

I was referring to Google vs. the media cartels.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by gammatrigono »

mooman219 wrote: post #262
Jerry2 wrote: post #37

I used to have a Youtube channel where I posted videos of me playing the piano. I played mostly Mozart, Beethoven and Rachmaninoff compositions. I had around 40 videos in total. Sometime around 2014, I started getting DMCA takedown notices from various companies claiming copyright. I was getting one or two per week and I contested them and things were ruled into my favor. But then it started getting harder and harder…

Ah that sounds like such a frustrating experience. It may be selection bias since I'm on HN a lot, but this sounds like a common situation. If you were a developer at YouTube, what do you think could be done to fix this? Personally, I think a starter is only suspending a user from the specific service they "violated" the TOS on instead of their who freaking account. I don't know how content-id works, but preventing d…

This isn't a developer level design decision. This is executive level.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by CM30 »

This is why left wing political parties should make copyright and IP law reform a major part of their platform, and be willing to kick out the corporations and 'donors' in exchange to going back to basics.

All it takes is one political leader and party with the guts to tell the likes of the MPAA/RIAA/Disney/whatever to stick it and change the laws. What can they do if they don't like it? Go to China where IP laws are basically not enforced at all?

And I'm pretty sure most of the population would be on their side if they did that.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by oarsinsync »

golem14 wrote: post #274
scatters wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google will work out that the accounts are operated by the same person and forcibly link them together. They may then decide that you are abusively trying to evade their restrictions and permanently ban all of your accounts.

That's complete nonsense. Have any hard evidence to share?

There was a post on here (HN) a while ago about an entire company account getting suspended because Google had linked an employee of that company to his personal google account which was being used to re-sign Android apps for redistribution.

It’s an extreme example, but if that account is true, google definitely have automated tooling to link distinct accounts.

I can’t actually imagine any reason why they wouldn’t. It feels like something they’d need at their scale.

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