Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
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Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#2Masnick took what could have been a great piece to use against telcos, and turned it into an embarrassing attempt to defend Google/Facebook at all costs. His claim that Google and Facebook know less about you than your ISP would require you to pretend that encryption and Google Analytics / Facebook's "pixel" don't exist.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#3Masnick took what could have been a great piece to use against telcos, and turned it into an embarrassing attempt to defend Google/Facebook at all costs. His claim that Google and Facebook know less about you than your ISP would require you to pretend that encryption and Google Analytics / Facebook's "pixel" don't exist.
It's worth nothing that the vast majority of Americans have their internet setup as defaulted. So, every DNS request goes to the ISP's DNS servers (your ISP knows every single domain you visit regardless of association with Google/Facebook) and every domain name that doesn't exist winds up at the ISPs own search/not found landing page. Plus if you use your ISP's email server (like my mom) who knows if they're reading your email, too.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#4Masnick took what could have been a great piece to use against telcos, and turned it into an embarrassing attempt to defend Google/Facebook at all costs. His claim that Google and Facebook know less about you than your ISP would require you to pretend that encryption and Google Analytics / Facebook's "pixel" don't exist.
It's worth nothing that the vast majority of Americans have their internet setup as defaulted. So, every DNS request goes to the ISP's DNS servers (your ISP knows every single domain you visit regardless of association with Google/Facebook) and every domain name that doesn't exist winds up at the ISPs own search/not found landing page. Plus if you use your ISP's email server (like my mom) who knows if they're reading…
DNS requests only give the hostname. Google/Facebook's analytics services get them pretty much everything about the users' interactions with sites that include them.
I'm not arguing that ISPs aren't a privacy risk or that they shouldn't be fought. I'm pointing out that Masnick damages his own credibility by making stupid claims that, in order to be believed, would require either a technically unskilled reader or one who is willing to pretend the modern web/internet works differently than it does.
Masnick attempts to frame this debate in a way where everyone who doesn't join him in ignoring/defending the privacy violations of Silicon Valley tech companies is "on the other side". It's a dishonest and shitty way to frame things, and doesn't reflect reality in any way.
ISPs have plenty of black marks against them. Lying in order to pretend ISPs are the only ones we should be fighting isn't helping anything.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#5That's just gmail's auto-disclosure feature at work.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth nothing that the vast majority of Americans have their internet setup as defaulted. So, every DNS request goes to the ISP's DNS servers (your ISP knows every single domain you visit regardless of association with Google/Facebook) and every domain name that doesn't exist winds up at the ISPs own search/not found landing page. Plus if you use your ISP's email server (like my mom) who knows if they're reading…
DNS requests only give the hostname. Google/Facebook's analytics services get them pretty much everything about the users' interactions with sites that include them. I'm not arguing that ISPs aren't a privacy risk or that they shouldn't be fought. I'm pointing out that Masnick damages his own credibility by making stupid claims that, in order to be believed, would require either a technically unskilled reader or one…
You are debating a different argument than the comment you replied to makes. The argument is not "who is worse? they're both bad", it's a numerical analysis positing that the number of websites without domain names is smaller than the number of websites without Google Analytics. Your ISP tracks you every time you visit a website with a domain name. Google Analytics only tracks you when you visit a site that's enabled Google Analytics.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth nothing that the vast majority of Americans have their internet setup as defaulted. So, every DNS request goes to the ISP's DNS servers (your ISP knows every single domain you visit regardless of association with Google/Facebook) and every domain name that doesn't exist winds up at the ISPs own search/not found landing page. Plus if you use your ISP's email server (like my mom) who knows if they're reading…
DNS requests only give the hostname. Google/Facebook's analytics services get them pretty much everything about the users' interactions with sites that include them. I'm not arguing that ISPs aren't a privacy risk or that they shouldn't be fought. I'm pointing out that Masnick damages his own credibility by making stupid claims that, in order to be believed, would require either a technically unskilled reader or one…
It's a shame you're getting downvoted because you are correct. The dramatic acceleration of TLS adoption means that your ISP is getting less and less info about their customers' behaviors.
But if your browser has ever logged into something like Facebook or Google, then any site with embedded content will be sending info about your behavior back to them. A LOT of sites carry pixels from those companies, but anything can do it: an embedded tweet, a YouTube player, a "like" button, etc. This is on top of the info they collect from your direct interactions with them.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#8I haven't seen a techdirt article on here in years. Were they banned or something?
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#9Masnick took what could have been a great piece to use against telcos, and turned it into an embarrassing attempt to defend Google/Facebook at all costs. His claim that Google and Facebook know less about you than your ISP would require you to pretend that encryption and Google Analytics / Facebook's "pixel" don't exist.
Masnick has a pretty severe critic of both Google and Facebook for years and it would be pretty difficult to bend his words here to try to support your claim.
Re: Telco lobbyists accidentally send their talking points
#10Masnick took what could have been a great piece to use against telcos, and turned it into an embarrassing attempt to defend Google/Facebook at all costs. His claim that Google and Facebook know less about you than your ISP would require you to pretend that encryption and Google Analytics / Facebook's "pixel" don't exist.
It's worth nothing that the vast majority of Americans have their internet setup as defaulted. So, every DNS request goes to the ISP's DNS servers (your ISP knows every single domain you visit regardless of association with Google/Facebook) and every domain name that doesn't exist winds up at the ISPs own search/not found landing page. Plus if you use your ISP's email server (like my mom) who knows if they're reading…
They are reading your emails and selling that data too, Yahoo is now owned by Verizon: https://www.fastcompany.com/90229354/yahoo-and-aol-are-readi...