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Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by volkl48 »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #61
sofon wrote: post #57

I read the article, but I can't see how the title is supported. What is for example, the second largest tech hub and how narrow is silicon valley's lead over it. I would guess that the bay area if way way ahead of anywhere else (I don't like it, but it seems to be self apparent) and the lead is not narrow at all.

I'd bet either NYC or Seattle is number two. I think Seattle comes closest in salaries thanks to the number of FAANG and similar companies with either HQ's or large branches (same time zone as California helps). NYC is probably number two as far as startup scenes.

NYC and Boston are #2 + 3 for VC funding.

Seattle's a tiny fraction of either and not growing in that area.

https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/the-extreme-geographic-...

Obviously, that's only one measure of a tech scene, but I don't think Seattle's that large.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by badpun »

joelbluminator wrote: post #29
jamesblonde wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stockholm might be the city for you. Work at Spotify. When Swedish girls marry foreign, they prefer english-speaking partners. Swedish men marry Thai and Russian girls. https://www.population-europe.eu/pop-digest/cross-border-mar... I am also speaking from experience here.

WHEN they marry foreign. You're making it sound as if he'll have a huge advantage in Sweden just because he's foreign, which I highly doubt he will.

A colleague's cousin (they're Arabs from Tunisia) went to Sweden for a couple months for some school thing. He was getting so much attention there from women that he stayed there for PhD. He did not get that kind of attention in Tunisia.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by eerwrq »

m23khan wrote: post #78

Silicon Valley will remain to the IT industry what Wall Street is for the commerce. It is the peak, the absolute peak of humanity's IT pursuits. I am not American, nor live in US and never been or worked in/for Silicon Valley and yet this is how I feel about it. Sure, there are good times and bad times but just like wallstreet has remained global champion of the commercial world, so will SV. I have zero doubts about…

>Silicon Valley will remain to the IT industry what Wall Street is for the commerce.

Yes, it will remain a metonym.

> I am not American, nor live in US and never been or worked in/for Silicon Valley and yet this is how I feel about it.

All that means is the area has done a good job of branding itself.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by philipov »

baby_wipe wrote: post #69
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know he's exploiting them? He didn't tell you how much he pays them.

And even if he did tell us how much he paid them, none of us are qualified to determine what wage rate is “exploitation”.

They said "A fraction of the cost," and knowing a little bit about how much developers in Russia get payed, that's probably about 30,000$ per year. Hopefully someone else will chime in with how that compares to the cost of living.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by sidlls »

m52go wrote: post #80
sidlls wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same way I know someone who says "Them immigrants just steals our jobs" is ignorant and racist. Put it this way: there is a slim chance he's paying Bay Area wages and treating his employees well, but odds are he's just paying a bit more than the regional median or average and treats his workers like disposable tissues besides.

You're ignorant for making up a narrative the commenter never put forth. Also, I think it's odd that you consider regional median and average wages to be exploitive.

If the regional median and average wages are a result of economic depression and politically poor conditions it's hardly a stretch to call it exploitative.

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Post by engi_nerd »

m23khan wrote: post #78

Silicon Valley will remain to the IT industry what Wall Street is for the commerce. It is the peak, the absolute peak of humanity's IT pursuits. I am not American, nor live in US and never been or worked in/for Silicon Valley and yet this is how I feel about it. Sure, there are good times and bad times but just like wallstreet has remained global champion of the commercial world, so will SV. I have zero doubts about…

This sounds like an article of faith.

Do you really want to have faith in a place that is likely ephemeral?

People once had this same degree of faith in the technology corridor of New Jersey.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by scarface74 »

redm wrote: post #74
scarface74 wrote: post #35

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are loyal instead of jumping to new shiny stuff at every opportunity. - have skin in the game Why do companies expect “loyalty” beyond the employer gives the employee a paycheck and the employee works X number of hours per week, doesn’t try to compete with the employer while at the company, and doesn’t steal IP? Does the employee have an ownership stake in the company? If not, the only “skin in the game” they have is…

Why do you think that companies don't care about employees? Everyone who works at a company has an emotional stake in the work, the product, and usually pride in what they do. That matters. Most founders that I know do care about their employees, they want them to be happy, productive, and have a great career. It doesn't always work out, but the intention is there. Companies are run and owned by people, especially th…

Why do you think that companies don't care about employees

I’m not saying they wish their employees harm. But if you get hit by a bus tomorrow, your company is going to send flowers to your family and have an open req for your position before your body is buried. The company’s first priority is the well being of the company. Your first responsibility is what’s best for you. As long as those two things intersect, your company won’t let you go and you don’t have any reason to leave.

Everyone who works at a company has an emotional stake in the work, the product, and usually pride in what they do. That matters.

Yes, I take pride in my work and want to see my work get into production. But that’s separate from having any loyalty to the company more than I described above.*

Most founders that I know do care about their employees, they want them to be happy, productive, and have a great career. It doesn't always work out, but the intention is there.

Companies are run and owned by people, especially the small ones, and people empathize and care about other people.

I agree. But no company’s - especially one that is publicly owned or investor funded - first priority is its employees.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by devmunchies »

arcticbull wrote: post #12
weiming wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Beyond immigration talk, the constant spewing... Curious to see some examples cited.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/06/poli... https://www.aclu-wa.org/pages/timeline-muslim-ban https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shith... https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/537012/ What more evidence do you need?

> What more evidence do you need?

You act as if CNN and ACLU are convincing sources,even though they have obvious agendas against the current administration.

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by naravara »

imrelaxed wrote: post #5
arcticbull wrote: post #2

And crazy immigration laws and policies aren’t helping much either. IMO it makes sense people are staying home and building their businesses instead of uprooting to a place they perceive doesn’t want them, both from an immigration and a housing cost perspective. This is the real cost of current rhetoric and discourse, and it takes time to manifest, but the change is happening. Many of my friends recently moved out of…

I’m confused. There is almost no rhetoric against legal and/or qualified immigration, just the illegal kind.

There is no way you can be this gullible. There is absolutely rhetoric and action being taken against all immigrants. The "illegal" label is a canard, and being as how our immigration laws are largely arbitrary and nonsensical, not even a very logical one.

Passports are being denied to US citizens and their documentation is being deemed invalid based on no evidence and no due process: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-denying-pass...

Steve Bannon talks about how even legal immigrants from South Asia don't fit into America's "civic society" (whatever that means): https://boingboing.net/2016/11/17/steve-bannon-wants-to-depo...

ICE reserves the right to detail and interrogate people about their immigration status as a matter of course, and their only rubric for "suspicion" is "person is Brown." http://www.witf.org/news/2018/07/how-racial-profiling-goes-u...

Re: Silicon Valley is changing, and its lead over other tech hubs narrowing

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Post by mfringel »

frockington wrote: post #46
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a potential legal immigrant, I just don't want to take my labor to a country whose President doesn't respect or welcome me. Sure, the rhetoric might be against illegal immigration, but I'd rather just move to a country where Nazis aren't "fine people". The America brand has essentially been tainted.

I don't understand this logic. You want to move to America, but you hate America. Why not just move elsewhere then? Is there something that America has that you can't find anywhere else?

It appears that you have conflated "hating America" with "hating the current President and his policies". Can you say more about that?
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