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Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by dbingham »

amelius wrote: post #47
_carl_jung wrote: post #2

I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

I want an e-ink display on which I can read scientific papers. Sadly, this isn't possible unless the whole paper fits on the screen, because scrolling on e-ink quickly becomes a real chore due to the refresh rate.

What about the Remarkable (https://remarkable.com/)? It's both got a larger screen and it's supposed to have a vastly improved refresh rate. I haven't tried it, but I'm really really curious about it.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by antt »

dpark wrote: post #24
have_faith wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always turn on 'tap to click' on my trackpad so you can tap anywhere to click, and two finger tap to right click. I haven't missed physical buttons since getting used to this. Is there a particular use case that the physical buttons are better for? I can imagine gaming at least.

On most devices tap-to-click is on by default. It’s always the first thing I turn off. I have always found it completely useless and it turns incidental touches into accidental clicks. “Oops, guess I sent that email.” This isn’t relevant to the parent’s complaint, though. Without dedicated buttons, you’re relying on the driver to distinguish between a one and two finger click. That detection, even on Apple devices, i…

This works amazingly well on Linux with the ancient synaptics driver. I've never had to change the defaults

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by hultner »

zaarn wrote: post #39
johnchristopher wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well. Just flip the laptop, enable the on screen keyboard and wait for the screen hack thingy that will enable the use of the e-ink as the main screen to be released on github.

As someone who had a Kobo EReader a long while ago; coding on eink is painful. The screen latency and constantly flashing will ruin your day even with the joy of being able to code in bright daylight. Unless there is some magic advancements in eink latency that I don't know about...

I've seen hacks on the Nook Simple¹ allowing for even runnig PSX games with good refresh-rate, ever since I saw those demos I've been dreaming about a decent resolution EINK screen for my terminal sessions.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH0wAmMbFgI

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by Seanny123 »

dbingham wrote: post #51
amelius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want an e-ink display on which I can read scientific papers. Sadly, this isn't possible unless the whole paper fits on the screen, because scrolling on e-ink quickly becomes a real chore due to the refresh rate.

What about the Remarkable ( https://remarkable.com/ )? It's both got a larger screen and it's supposed to have a vastly improved refresh rate. I haven't tried it, but I'm really really curious about it.

It's beautiful hardware matched with absolutely horrid software. It's Android 4.0, which means literally nothing works. They've tried to fix it with custom apps, but I still can't achieve a decent work-flow and there's no community to make it better. It's actually the worst.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by dmos62 »

robin_reala wrote: post #13
_carl_jung wrote: post #2

I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

That was always the promise of Pixel Qi screens. Shame they never hit critical mass. There are eink standalone monitors (e.g. http://dasungtech.com/ ) but nothing in a laptop form factor that I’m aware of.

The Dasung's Paperlike monitors are a bit expensive. Onyx Boox Max2 [0] seems a bit more recent, slightly larger, has many more features, including usage as an exterior monitor through HDMI. It's an android-based ereader, with extensive note-taking, drawing, pen writing, music sheet drawing features. It's also cheaper $500+, compared to Paperlike's $900+. I'm not a fan of bloat, which is where Max2 might be leaning, judging by a quick glance, but I'm enticed by it doubling as a large-format (portable) ereader.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdRFMWff5CI

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by jsjohnst »

dbingham wrote: post #51
amelius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want an e-ink display on which I can read scientific papers. Sadly, this isn't possible unless the whole paper fits on the screen, because scrolling on e-ink quickly becomes a real chore due to the refresh rate.

What about the Remarkable ( https://remarkable.com/ )? It's both got a larger screen and it's supposed to have a vastly improved refresh rate. I haven't tried it, but I'm really really curious about it.

I have a coworker with one and it seems great and he loves it. I’ve just not rationalized the cost vs benefit to justify buying it personally.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by hultner »

simias wrote: post #35
_carl_jung wrote: post #2

I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

My only personal experience with e-ink displays is from my almost decade old Kindle and that was way too slow to be usable interactively for anything complex. Has the state of the art improved to the point that coding on a e-ink display is viable? What about color? Regarding TFA typing on a flat surface sounds painful, at this point you effectively have a tablet-style keyboard. That being said I'm a keyboard snob who…

See my comment about hacked Nooks, they're both really cheap and looks super fast. In general newer e-ink displays can render new content without refreshing the entire screen like in the early days.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17885138

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by giancarlostoro »

robin_reala wrote: post #13
_carl_jung wrote: post #2

I'd like to see a laptop with an e-ink display I can code on. That way I can go and sit in the sun.

That was always the promise of Pixel Qi screens. Shame they never hit critical mass. There are eink standalone monitors (e.g. http://dasungtech.com/ ) but nothing in a laptop form factor that I’m aware of.

I really want some e-ink screen setup for a RPi but not sure how it will work.

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by dmos62 »

mmjaa wrote: post #14

I think this has a lot of potential to be a revolutionary product segment for musicians, for example. So much great music software is out there, literally impeded by not having such a great input mechanism - with something like a reconfigurable keyboard area, it means many different kinds of (musical) user interaction may be defined in the near future .. an interface for mixing, a drum-pad, complex synthesis models r…

It's funny that you mention musicians in context of e-ink. This thread lead me to find a review of Onyx Boox Max2, which is an ereader creammed with features. One of them is writing music sheets, as seen in this review [0].

[0] https://youtu.be/fdRFMWff5CI?t=8m3s

Re: Lenovo’s new Yoga Book replaces the keyboard with an E Ink screen

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Post by hultner »

dmos62 wrote: post #55
robin_reala wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was always the promise of Pixel Qi screens. Shame they never hit critical mass. There are eink standalone monitors (e.g. http://dasungtech.com/ ) but nothing in a laptop form factor that I’m aware of.

The Dasung's Paperlike monitors are a bit expensive. Onyx Boox Max2 [0] seems a bit more recent, slightly larger, has many more features, including usage as an exterior monitor through HDMI. It's an android-based ereader, with extensive note-taking, drawing, pen writing, music sheet drawing features. It's also cheaper $500+, compared to Paperlike's $900+. I'm not a fan of bloat, which is where Max2 might be leaning,…

Wow a HDMI input is so great, I've been looking for a tablet with something like that in order to make it double as extra monitor on the go. Tried duet with the iPad but it isn't good enough over lightning with video compression and such.
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