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Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by tumetab1 »

LeonM wrote: post #10
DarkContinent wrote: post #5

Would human monitors work better than ContentID in this situation?

Even if we disregard the obvious costs of having thousands of people screening uploads all day long, I don't think it would work better. The humans will need to identify the content, and decide if it's public domain or not. This requires an infinite amount of knowledge, or a lot of googling. I think a hybrid sollution (computer identifies the content, and if it is not sure about it being public domain or not, a human…

AFAIK the first copy right takedown noticed is received without review by Youtube, they only review after being contested.

From my perspective, people are just too used tolerating the bad things of ContentId which in part is the result of bad legislation.

In this case I bet that no human would be able to make a confident call because of multiple jurisdictions. On Germany it's public domain but on France maybe it's still copyrighted so you need an international copyright law master degree to figure that out.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by [deleted] »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7
giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by xfer »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7
giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

If patents can expire after 20yrs why is copyright special?

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by tallanvor »

It seems to me that a big part of the problem is that Google is focusing on this the wrong way. Rather than automatically assume that ContentID is correct and notifying the user, it should instead notify the supposed owner of the music, and let them decide whether or not to make a claim. If the "owner" makes too many false claims then they should be banned form the service.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by sklivvz1971 »

YouTube sent me a takedown request for publishing a video to my own song (which is published on CD only).

They took down the song because I could not "prove" I was the owner.

I guess my name being on the cover and my picture was not enough...

I.e.

- they don't check even if you point out it's a mistake - they always side with the copyright owner by default

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

icebraining wrote: post #16
giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything I'm more for stripping record labels of their copyright, an artist can keep their copyright till they die for all I care. Their families shouldn't depend solely on one artist's income. There's many angles to copyright, it's a complicated subject cause of it, but we need to take away all the noise of it, this legalized censorship against allegedly copyrighted works doesn't actually work is the main issue.…

In fact, that right already exists (in the US), it's Section 203 - artists can terminate their copyright grants after 35 years after the publishing date.

That's quite insightful, now if only after 50 years it would be terminated, regardless of whether the artist is dead or alive. If they want to give them a renewed copyright grant or something that's another story, and it should end the moment the artist dies. Till death do us part indeed.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by yoz-y »

Zigurd wrote: post #20
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

"Are you going to tell them they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they had one of their most successful releases?" In a word, yes. The entire purpose of copyright is to enrich the commons by granting a limited term monopoly. Without that purpose in mind, copyright loses legitimacy. It's a government granted right, and, in the US, there is specific authorization in the constitution to make such a…

All rights, human rights included, are just some arbitrary rules some part of humans have decided to follow.

These laws could also set the counter for let's say 5 years after the death of all of the original authors or something like that. There is no reason for these rights to transfer indefinitely.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by chrismorgan »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

I like the solution we came up with earlier this year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16163984

Ten years of free protection, then costing $10 × 1.5 ⁿ ⁻ ¹ for each subsequent year. Year 10 costs $0, year 20 about $380, year 30 about $22,000, year 40 about $1,300,000, year 50 almost $75,000,000—and few fifty-year-old things will be worth $75,000,000 per year and growing to retain copyright to.

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