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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:22 AM UTC

HohPum1l wrote: post #9

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

Do you still profit from software you have written for hire 20 years ago?

If it wasn't a work for hire, you can.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Sandra65666 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:23 AM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #11

HohPum1l wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you still profit from software you have written for hire 20 years ago?

If it wasn't a work for hire, you can.

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:25 AM UTC

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Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by laumars » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:29 AM UTC

This reminds me a lot of the experiment someone did uploading white noise: “My ten hour white noise video now has five copyright claims”[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16075325

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by executesorder66 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:30 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #3

There's really only one viable solution. If you want stuff to stay up, put it somewhere that won't let anyone take it down. No matter what. And isn't vulnerable to coercion. YouTube is not such a place, of course. For most purposes, torrents are good enough. Maybe BitChute. Or for sensitive stuff, sites on Tor .onion servers. Not Freenet, though, because that is a trip to jail, just waiting to happen. Edit: OK, about…

Why is uploading to Freenet illegal? And where?

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:30 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

If anything I'm more for stripping record labels of their copyright, an artist can keep their copyright till they die for all I care. Their families shouldn't depend solely on one artist's income. There's many angles to copyright, it's a complicated subject cause of it, but we need to take away all the noise of it, this legalized censorship against allegedly copyrighted works doesn't actually work is the main issue.…

In fact, that right already exists (in the US), it's Section 203 - artists can terminate their copyright grants after 35 years after the publishing date.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by tumetab1 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:30 AM UTC

HohPum1l wrote: post #9

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

Do you still profit from software you have written for hire 20 years ago?

IBM storming in Yes, I do :)

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by asmithmd1 » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:32 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

Anyone can legally perform any piece of music because copyright law contains a provision called a "compulsory license." This is how an artist can "cover" someone else's song. Congress deemed music too important to allow the author to lock it up for years. An author automatically grants a license to anyone who wants to perform a piece at a rate per second per person fixed annually.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by YokoZar » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:33 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

> Are you going to tell them they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they had one of their most successful releases?

Are you claiming they wouldn't have made the music otherwise? It's hard to imagine such megastars deciding that the marginal effort of another hit album just wasn't worth making unless they could collect hypothetical revenue for more than 2 decades.

Copyright law is to incentivize creating these works so that more stuff can get into the public domain. We've shot well past that point with excessive durations, and the public domain is suffering.

Re: Can Beethoven send takedown requests?

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Post by Zigurd » Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 11:36 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #7

giancarlostoro wrote: post #4

Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades (I'm being kinda generous, some songs are old after a few months / one to five years). I hate the state of copyrighted works. Movies can stay copyrighted for a good 40 to 50 years, anything else is crazy. Books maybe 50 years too, but again, it's just crazy and clear that the extended years of co…

> Given how quickly music becomes "old" I don't understand why copyright needs to chain up music any longer than two decades You say that but the Beatles, Elvis, Beethoven, Pink Floyd, Michael Jackson are all artists that had their heyday 30-60 years ago and are still the top selling artists. A lot of them are dead now because of varying reasons, but some are still alive and kicking and giving new performances of the…

"Are you going to tell them they have no right to their own work anymore 20 years after they had one of their most successful releases?"

In a word, yes. The entire purpose of copyright is to enrich the commons by granting a limited term monopoly. Without that purpose in mind, copyright loses legitimacy.

It's a government granted right, and, in the US, there is specific authorization in the constitution to make such a grant. The term could be set to any term, and there would be no underlying constitutional of inherent human rights case against such a change. Unlike actual rights, copyright is whatever governments say it is.