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Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

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That is disingenuous FUD. Cities are totally willing to work with companies if they provide a net benefit. Do you think a politician is going to deny access to a company if it costs them nothing and makes their constituents happy? What they say "wtf, no?" to is companies treating public good and spaces like sidewalks as something they can just offload all of their costs onto, without ever asking permission. Look at t…

You honestly believe that had Bird, initially an unheard of company, gone to say, the city of Los Angeles and said "We'd like to put scooters everywhere, is that cool?" They'd have said "sure"? I think that's incredibly naive. The absolute best outcome for Bird would have been the city saying "you can put them in designated scooter areas, and they have to be docked in designated scooter areas". And that would have tu…

”We'd like to put scooters everywhere, is that cool?”

That would have gotten a no, but ”we would like to do an experiment decreasing road congestion” could have gotten them a yes _and_ a subsidy for running the experiment.

And yes, that “yes” would have had strings attached, even if it weren’t subsidized, but that’s normal for anthingmyhea affects shared space. If a company goes to the city and says “we would like to park our cars on the street instead of on our expensive parking lot” or “we would like to semi-permanently occupy the space in front of or shops”, would you expect the city to say “yes”, too?

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Who's going to buy the home at the original price, let alone an appreciated one, if it's now next to a paper mill?

It doesn't make any sense to assume that someone would want to buy Home A, tear it down, and build a paper mill there, but that nobody could ever want to buy Home B next door and build a profitable venture there as well. Often in these situations, housing values go up , because the opportunity exists to build something more valuable than a house. Furthermore, when you buy a house, you are a taking a risk. You're maki…

I think if you look a little harder you can find entire neighborhoods of homes becoming worthless because of industrial ventures nearby but I guess your theory sounds nice on paper.

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Imagine you owned a home and somebody wanted to put a nightclub on one side of you and an abattoir on the other. Do you think that might affect your quality of life at all? I mean hey, it's their property!

So actually, Japan does something like this. Residences can be built pretty much anywhere (except near super heavy industry), because their zoning is all about how much of a nuisance something is. They also don’t have strict usage restrictions like Euclidean zoning in the states. So for example, if something is zoned for medium commercial (making that up), you can build everything from commercial “down” (so to reside…

I don't think I'm being flippant. The guy asked why you shouldn't have absolute freedom to build whatever you please on land you own.

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When corporate entities happily take money in exchange for their clients littering the streets with eyesores, it is a rather important problem. Boston hasn't been overrun yet, and I am hopeful that we stay that way.

Wow, you must go crazy every time you see a car, which must take up 100x the space, cause 50x the damage.

How many of those are improperly parked?

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Who cares though, they are all the same. (I forgot which company's I used, until I checked my phone now to see the app). They really didn't work much on brand recognition, I 'm surprised people have favorites

I'm mostly upset by the # limits. It's not enough for the entire market. Also I feel like some of the bad behavior was vandalism by haters. Who the hell would put black sharpie on the QR codes or shit on scooters themselves? Probably not someone who uses them.

The sharpie thing might actually be someone trying to "reserve" a scooter for themselves. (Take a picture of the code before making it unreadable, then the scooter always stays wherever they left it.)

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Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

if san francisco spent half as much time trying to deal with the homeless problem (needles, urine, poop and people on the streets) than restricting businesses the right to operate, it would be a better place.

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That’s called by-right and lots of cities (maybe all? Not sure if it’s a local/state/federal thing) have that. That doesn’t stop NIMBYism (all you have to do is downzone), but for areas that are reasonably densely zoned, you don’t need any variances for projects that conform to zoning ordinances. The real issue with NIMBYs is how restrictive zoning is. Sure, you can build anything you want if it conforms, but good lu…

>This is the affordable housing crisis at its core, and it’s remarkably procedural and boring. People are unable to afford homes and apartments because of simple tedium that takes place in beige board rooms at 11:00 PM on a Monday (i.e. local politics). What is preventing companies from moving to less expensive cities? By the free market logic, it should decrease demand/rent in hot cities, and provide these companies…

>What is preventing companies from moving to less expensive cities?

Those cities also have the same restrictive zoning laws, preventing new office buildings and housing just like the expensive cities.

Many American cities are experiencing price increases out of line with prevailing wages to the point that the median income cannot afford the median house. And we're not talking NYC and SF;think Nashville.

Furthermore, talent is concentrated in a few areas. A software firm in Nome, Alaska will have a harder time hiring than one in New York. Infrastructure like airports keeps businesses in hubs. Ports make goods cheap to ship. Having large numbers of local customers helps too

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It doesn't make any sense to assume that someone would want to buy Home A, tear it down, and build a paper mill there, but that nobody could ever want to buy Home B next door and build a profitable venture there as well. Often in these situations, housing values go up , because the opportunity exists to build something more valuable than a house. Furthermore, when you buy a house, you are a taking a risk. You're maki…

I think if you look a little harder you can find entire neighborhoods of homes becoming worthless because of industrial ventures nearby but I guess your theory sounds nice on paper.

That doesn't contradict my point, as I never claimed that was impossible for housing values to depreciate, only that the alternative happens "often". Specifically:

You're treating all real estate as if it's the same, but the world is more complex than that. We're talking about dense metro areas, where development primarily happens to support growing populations and an influx of businesses. How many expensive homes in downtown SF have become worthless because of industrial ventures nearby? Far, far, far less than have become extremely valuable, if any. This isn't just some theory on paper.

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And that's how a city should operate. The citizens should regulate how the city regulates.

We do. That's what people here are complaining about. They have no stake in this game, have no intention of becoming part of the community, they're just looking for a cheap buck and don't mind if they ruin everything that makes our home great. There are plenty of other places to go to, and everybody whining about "San Francisco being a zoning failure" might want to remember that we have a larger GDP than many develop…

Based on your response I'm guessing you are not being sarcastic in saying that GDP is the main measure of success.

GDP is just a measure for a particular system. I could think of several more direct measures than GDP without trying very hard, for instance quality of life, cost of living, and overall happiness.

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I always have maintained that local governments tend to be the most corrupt compared to the amount of power that they have, but the corruption is usually too small to gain notice.

"Corruption" has a meaning, and there doesn't seem to be any mention in either the article or this discussion of anything that would be corruption.

Picking winners and losers sure looks corrupt to me.
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