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San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

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Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#31
Considering San Fran is already famous for hilariously spiteful and terrible zoning/real estate development practices, it isn't exactly surprising. Are the companies who got permits local? That may have factored into it.

Also, considering the sheer hatred these companies and their business model inspire in me, I can't say it doesn't fill me with glee.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#32

Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

The companies in question already had a history of operating illegally in San Francisco. I don't think it's fair to dismiss that as "picking and choosing". Dumping those scooters over the city is effectively littering. Business should be able to operate freely, but they should not be able to break the law until someone catches them.

If I'd started a scooter company before scooter companies were a thing, went to any city and asked for permission, they would have said "wtf? no." (assuming they answered my petition at all) and that would have been the end of it.

The only reason we're here arguing about this is companies like Bird chose to ask for forgiveness rather than permission in the past.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#33

Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

I always have maintained that local governments tend to be the most corrupt compared to the amount of power that they have, but the corruption is usually too small to gain notice.

Many work in the local gov and make it in the fed gov after they "prove" they are worth it so I wouldn't say they are less corrupt. It's not uncommon for mayors to run for the ultimate job in the fed gov.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The companies in question already had a history of operating illegally in San Francisco. I don't think it's fair to dismiss that as "picking and choosing". Dumping those scooters over the city is effectively littering. Business should be able to operate freely, but they should not be able to break the law until someone catches them.

What law did they break?

Whatever law it may be it was most certainly not designed in the era of these scooters being a thing.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#35
I'd love to be proven wrong, only future will tell, but this seems to be yet another fad being funded by free money from VCs. In fact the only winner in all of this are the manufacturers who are making these scooters.

According to https://qz.com/1257198/xiaomi-makes-the-bird-and-spin-scoote... at least Bird and Spin are using Xiomi scooters. Lime is also made overseas, read China. So, this is nothing but Silicon Valley VC money, actually their LP's money, moving to China.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#36
Seems like the Scooter is not popular and only useful for a niche segment of the population.

The bike sharing business has caused a hazard in places like China, because of the unrestricted dumping. So there is definitely a point that government needs to chime in and do some stuff.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#37

Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

So if the city doesn't specifically say "do not test chemical weapons in the downtown area" then a business should be free to do so ? Is that the type of system you are proposing here ?

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Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#38

Business permits should be shall-issue: if an applicant adheres to a set of rules known in advance, the city ought to have no power to deny its permit application. Want to limit the number of something? Fine. Auction off medallions or something in a transparent, open way. Don't pick and choose businesses the way SF busybodies do. San Francisco has severe and worsening problems primarily due to rampant interference in…

The companies in question already had a history of operating illegally in San Francisco. I don't think it's fair to dismiss that as "picking and choosing". Dumping those scooters over the city is effectively littering. Business should be able to operate freely, but they should not be able to break the law until someone catches them.

It's not littering. You know this.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you consider the short term rental of inexpensive scooters an important market needing laws to regulate their capacity (..by the wise and benevolent leaders of this sparkling city..), it's hard to imagine any market that would fall short of your importance threshold. The notion that the only way to ensure competition is to forbid it is convoluted.

When corporate entities happily take money in exchange for their clients littering the streets with eyesores, it is a rather important problem. Boston hasn't been overrun yet, and I am hopeful that we stay that way.

Have you tried one? They’re actually quite handy.

Re: San Francisco Denies Scooter Permits for Bird, Lime, Uber and Lyft

#40

This really comes off as spiteful and childish. Bird and Lime didn't come kiss the ring before daring to provide services to the residents of San Francisco, so they get kicked to the curb in favor of a couple of companies who's timing hadn't yet angered the City.

True — no, they didn't. They just clucked it up so bad in their launch locations that the smell had already wafted up from the Beach Cities down here to the Bay.

Move fast and piss people off doesn't work too well, eh?

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