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Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #119

I disagree strongly with this statement in the article: "There's a real challenge in deciding what constitutes work," said Dr Jain, from the university's Centre for Transport and Society. "Work" is anything I would be doing while sitting at my desk in your office building. So if I'm doing that on a train or in your office they are both "work." And if my train ride takes 1.5 hours to the office and 1.5 hours home, I'l…

Possible alternate definition: Anything that you wouldn't do if you weren't paid for it.

This would include driving to the office.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by sctb »

devmunchies wrote: post #75

Women joining the workforce increased the labor supply which decreased wages on the whole. This makes it so many women HAVE to work as opposed to GET to work. A double income for many families is required nowadays.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17876875.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by psychometry »

devmunchies wrote: post #120
psychometry wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, great job, men! Seriously, is that comment supposed to be a joke or are you one of those red-pillers? My point is: I'm not sure "supported" is quite the right word.

Why would it be a joke? Are you one of those man-haters?

Because it takes a very special type of daftness to think for centuries men were "supporting" women by not allowing them to work.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by caymanjim »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #121
ChuckMcM wrote: post #119

I disagree strongly with this statement in the article: "There's a real challenge in deciding what constitutes work," said Dr Jain, from the university's Centre for Transport and Society. "Work" is anything I would be doing while sitting at my desk in your office building. So if I'm doing that on a train or in your office they are both "work." And if my train ride takes 1.5 hours to the office and 1.5 hours home, I'l…

Possible alternate definition: Anything that you wouldn't do if you weren't paid for it. This would include driving to the office.

It's not reasonable to expect your employer to pay for your commute time if you don't use that commute time to work. You can work for them on the train. You shouldn't work for them on the train if you're not getting paid for it, but you're generally also not expected to work on the train. You can't work for them while you're driving. You can think of that driving time as work, but you shouldn't expect your employer to consider it work.

Where you choose to live and work are up to you, and need to be factored in to the burden. Commuting is only "work" if you're expected to do something during the commute.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by s73v3r_ »

devmunchies wrote: post #100
s73v3r_ wrote: post #79

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At the same time, it's also given women the ability to survive and exist in society without requiring them to be married or otherwise supported by a man.

By giving up more freedom and time and being dependent on an employer? I think women should have the option, but my argument was that the option is no longer there, they HAVE to work now.

Being reliant on being married is NOT more freedom.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by s73v3r_ »

msiyer wrote: post #109
s73v3r_ wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same time, it's also given women the ability to survive and exist in society without requiring them to be married or otherwise supported by a man.

If that is your argument, I would say men have done a commendable job. They supported women for centuries while building a society that would eventually let women not be dependent on men.

I absolutely would not suggest men have done a commendable job, because for much of that time women were basically treated as property.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by tejtm »

tejtm wrote: post #80
User23 wrote: post #77

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Women joining the workforce lead to a long term decrease in the labor supply. The only reason wages haven’t gone up is a massive influx of foreign born workers that keeps supply high.

... because they were not home having babies?

please not that this is not a rhetorical question on my part. down voting statements looking for more information/ clarification seems out of place here

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by punnerud »

caymanjim wrote: post #124
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possible alternate definition: Anything that you wouldn't do if you weren't paid for it. This would include driving to the office.

It's not reasonable to expect your employer to pay for your commute time if you don't use that commute time to work. You can work for them on the train. You shouldn't work for them on the train if you're not getting paid for it, but you're generally also not expected to work on the train. You can't work for them while you're driving. You can think of that driving time as work, but you shouldn't expect your employer t…

In Norway you have to be paid when you ‘are available to the job’. If you are on standby the minimum pay is 1/3. If you have to work outside your normal workhours the pay is minimum 50% extra.

If you are «forced» to drive, example as a consulatant normaly based in the city and have to comute longer than normaly, the comute is paid.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by User23 »

piyh wrote: post #110
User23 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't appear to be true. Birth rates plummeted in the 60s and 70s[1], which is when women started to really join the work force in quantity. Perhaps the people inclined to down vote think I'm advocating for banning women from work? Please realize I'm saying no such thing, I'm simply pointing out an obvious consequence for long term labor supply that simple reasoning can deduce and the data bears out. [1] http:…

Lower birthrates could as easily be attributed to lower infant mortality catching up to a new generation https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m4838a2f1....

The decrease in births is twice the decrease in infant mortality according to the sources we both linked. Also, it takes at least a generation before lowering infant mortality lowers birth rates. It does look like lowered infant mortality contributed quite a bit to the baby boom.

Re: Emails while commuting 'should count as work'

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Post by 08-15 »

chongli wrote: post #108
08-15 wrote: post #63

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Then maybe those poor exploited employees should go and generate surplus value for themselves without the company.

They may not have the capital to do so. That doesn't mean they're not aggrieved. It just suggests they do not have the means to do anything about it.

In other words, the employees can't generate the same surplus value without the company. So the company did in fact generate some of it, so the profit isn't stolen at all, it's earned.

Marx has been dead for 135 years, and people still parrot his confused ramblings without thinking. Amazing.

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