Live data from Hacker News

What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

bbc.co.uk

11–20 of 105 posts

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#11
post #6

To put it bluntly, I don't like competing with the entire rest of the world for housing in my city, and I'm pretty sure most other people don't either.

This is the heart of the matter. it is also the heart of globalisation and the very heart of the internet - we should be very aware of the massive social dislocation caused by the globalisation of the food industry in 1870s following the first wave of refrigeration (ice in atlantic ships)

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#12
AirBNB restrictions should be based on housing vacancy rates. In areas where either through poor zoning or historical preservation there is a restricted supply of housing AirBNB should be strictly limited.

However, if vacancy rates are high enough AirBNB acts as a nice pressure valve distributing residential and vacation occupancy without the expense of having to overbuild hotels.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#13
post #4

Airbnb is a zero sum game - what tourists win, locals lose. Two of my coworkers are currently being forced to look for a new place to live in a tight housing market because their current landlord can make more money renting on Airbnb. I've stayed in Airbnbs in the past (and appreciated the convenience), but I no longer will.

It's not zero sum unless the housing supply is fixed - the additional income from Airbnb can be invested in new housing.

But that additional housing can also destroy the character of existing areas. That doesn't mean we don't build, just that it has to be considered, which is harder to do when demand is increasing too quickly.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#14
post #4

Airbnb is a zero sum game - what tourists win, locals lose. Two of my coworkers are currently being forced to look for a new place to live in a tight housing market because their current landlord can make more money renting on Airbnb. I've stayed in Airbnbs in the past (and appreciated the convenience), but I no longer will.

In Norway despite rising Airbnb hotel revenues increased. On a recent conference I talked with PhD students and they told me that without AirBnb they would not attend as travel expenses would be outside their travel budget.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#15
post #6

To put it bluntly, I don't like competing with the entire rest of the world for housing in my city, and I'm pretty sure most other people don't either.

This is the heart of the matter. it is also the heart of globalisation and the very heart of the internet - we should be very aware of the massive social dislocation caused by the globalisation of the food industry in 1870s following the first wave of refrigeration (ice in atlantic ships)

> it is also the heart of globalisation and the very heart of the internet

Except that real estate is intrinsically a geographic issue. Manufacturing and distribution aren't.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#16
post #4

Airbnb is a zero sum game - what tourists win, locals lose. Two of my coworkers are currently being forced to look for a new place to live in a tight housing market because their current landlord can make more money renting on Airbnb. I've stayed in Airbnbs in the past (and appreciated the convenience), but I no longer will.

Same here,

The reason being that two youngsters, who illegally subletted their temporary lease, deemed it a great idea to run an illegal hotel.

It's a massive impact for the quality of life for the neighbours.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#17
post #2

The apartment vacancy rate in Vancouver is presently sub 1%. People are illegally renting suites as Airbnb, taking up domestic housing stock. It's illegal to rent suites for less than 31 days and without a business licence here, but they do it anyways.

Are any of those occupied by locals for whom it's the best housing they can find?

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#18
post #12

AirBNB restrictions should be based on housing vacancy rates. In areas where either through poor zoning or historical preservation there is a restricted supply of housing AirBNB should be strictly limited. However, if vacancy rates are high enough AirBNB acts as a nice pressure valve distributing residential and vacation occupancy without the expense of having to overbuild hotels.

What if the vacancy rates are due to untenable rent prices? I could see vacancy being artificially created this way.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#19
post #3

It seems like there is a perfectly reasonable middle ground here — where households have the flexibility to rent out part of their primary residence, on a limited basis (either temporal or just part of the house), subject to clear and evenly enforced regulations. This is a pre-internet idea (e.g., casas particulares in Cuba in the 1990s) that becomes way easier/safer/better with a web-based platform. Personally, I fi…

The line to draw seems pretty clear. If you're renting out a portion of your primary residence (or a subunit of your primary residence like a basement apartment or guest house) then that's fine.

If there is no permanent resident in the dwelling and it's being managed by a 3rd party, it's a hotel and should be subject to all the regulations other hotels are.

Building codes already have a delineation for these different types of properties.

Re: What Airbnb really does to a neighbourhood

#20
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the heart of the matter. it is also the heart of globalisation and the very heart of the internet - we should be very aware of the massive social dislocation caused by the globalisation of the food industry in 1870s following the first wave of refrigeration (ice in atlantic ships)

> it is also the heart of globalisation and the very heart of the internet Except that real estate is intrinsically a geographic issue. Manufacturing and distribution aren't.

They used to be.
Post reply on HN