Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
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Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#2And this is why incorporating user submitted information is a tricky strategy. On one hand, there sure are a lot more users than employees. On the other hand, bad actors are often far more motivated and diligent than good faith actors, and they will try to screw over your system for no good reason.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#3Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map?
Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#4Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated?
Maybe that's the bug. It didn't occur to me until I read your comment [0] that the system could simply accept user-submitted data only above a certain level of detail. It won't eliminate the damage, but it would keep it more contained.
[0] OTOH, GIS isn't my day-to-day like it would be if I worked at, say, MapBox.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#5Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
The use case is that the entire globe is both incompletely mapped and also constantly changing: having it all editable is much easier than differentiating each and every case where some element might or might not change frequently.
Such a system of differentiation of map elements by likelihood of change could be good in the long term, but it would be a huge undertaking to classify them.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#6It continues to amaze me that OpenStreetMap is not massively plagued by this (I know that MapBox uses OSM as one of many sources, as mentioned in the article, but the changed name did not appear in the live OSM map, afaik, so I am guessing it came from somewhere else). In the past, the main explanatory argument was always that OSM's complicated editing process was the gatekeeper, but I don't think this is true anymore. With the OSM web editor, it is extremely simple to edit the map. It would only take a few clicks to immediately publish (for example) a highway in the form of a swastika to the live map, but despite using the map multiple times per day, both for private use and professionally, I have never encountered something like this.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#7Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
Helping label things like construction, store closures/openings and like you said local nicknames that might be hard to get data on from an official source.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#8Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
It sounds like building a system on top of OpenStreetMap that is similar to Wikipedia's "protected pages" could be worthwhile.
There are legitimate reasons to edit even the information for major world cities (most of them, for example, don't have translations into all major languages yet), but there's little reason to need those changes to be applied immediately.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#9Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
Helping label things like construction, store closures/openings and like you said local nicknames that might be hard to get data on from an official source.
They should be able to make it such that some attributes or information would require multiple approval levels before taking effect. City name changes, street names, bulding locations, addresses, etc. states of things might not require approvals, say street closed, buolding undervrenovation, etc.
Re: Mapbox CEO says the map calling New York City ‘Jewtropolis’ has been 100% fixed
#10Correct me if I'm missing something, but what's the usecase for user submitted data on the map? Do city names change so frequently that they need to be dynamically updated? I can see some use for it when you get to the neighbourhood level to account for local nicknames, but not full cities.
It sounds like building a system on top of OpenStreetMap that is similar to Wikipedia's "protected pages" could be worthwhile. There are legitimate reasons to edit even the information for major world cities (most of them, for example, don't have translations into all major languages yet), but there's little reason to need those changes to be applied immediately.
It's ironic as this vandalism was spotted and reverted in less than 24 hours in OSM. So any improvements and community fixing of vandalism cannot be taken advantage of by Mapbox if they rely on a monthly snapshot.