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Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

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Once self driving cars come to Boston, locals will just figure out how to go around them. If you honk and ride an AV’s tail close and it pulls over, everyone will do that. It’s a guarantee

> If you honk

Pretty sure autonomous vehicles don’t have audio sensors.

The image of someone honking at an AV in frustration seems amusingly quixotic.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#152

When i honk at another car it is always to correct bad behavior of some sort, normally when someone doesnt notice when a light turns green. But can these cars learn from being honked at? If they are doing 50 in a 90[1] clearly because they missed a sign, is there anything we can do to communicate to them that they are making a mistake? Still wondering if they are capable of handling a police stop. Can they know that…

You might be aware already (I see that you're an attorney), but at least in California, honking is illegal except for safety purposes. > (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn. > (b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with Section 28085) of this…

Cali is different. And safety trumps all. You can use it to draw attention to dangerous situations.

The cali law basically states that the cop can ticket you for being a jerk about honking.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#153

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it's rare to get pulled over for going 60mph in a 55mph zone, for example Maybe where you are, but someone I work with got pulled over for 63 in a 60 recently. She also got nailed recently for 93 in an 80MPH zone. Her excuse was that she was just keeping up with everyone else. The cop didn't buy it. I'm honestly asking; I just do not get the appeal. I like keeping my money, instead of risking it in fines and higher i…

Wanna tell us where this place is so we can all avoid it? If I had to guess I'd say DC, Maryland, Virginia area since they go full 1984 on traffic stuff there but unfortunately any non-white driving a beat up older car is a magnet for fishing cops which leads to unreasonable tickets like what you've described so it really could be anywhere.

Few places have speed limits as high as 80 (certainly nothing on the east coast, sheesh), so you're looking at Texas or Montana or somesuch.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#154

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If little Sally runs out into the middle of the road and you cannot avoid her by slamming on the brakes, you were going too fast for conditions. You cannot rely on being able to swerve into the oncoming lane, it might be occupied. If you can reasonably avoid Sally but don't, that's careless driving. You're avoiding a misdemeanor to commit a possible felony.

> If little Sally runs out into the middle of the road and you cannot avoid her by slamming on the brakes, you were going too fast for conditions. That's an unreasonable standard. You may be driving too fast for conditions, but being unable to stop in time when something unpredictably enters the roadway is, by itself, neither proof nor definition. The average stopping distance for a passenger vehicle at 20 mph is 20…

The key is not to stop completely, it's to get down to a speed that's highly unlikely to be fatal to a pedestrian, 15-20 mph. So if you're on a street with obstructed sight lines, that means your max speed should be 15-20 mph.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#155

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> in what sounds like nonstandard manners Not moving into the shoulder, that's illegal and dangerous. Once I've overtaken traffic that is _actually_ slow, I move to the right lane. There is nothing nonstandard about letting traffic pass me on the left when multiple lanes are available. Because I am not tailgating, they have ample room to safely move in front of me (5 seconds at highway speeds is a very large distance…

>Driving at the speed limit is not slow. Yes it is, as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority goes ~5mph over and are constantly overtaking you.

It's amazing how in driving that selfish and dangerous behavior is the zeitgeist. I agree to disagree.

If you may, try my style for no more than a week. See what it does for your mood. Be friendly on the road, stick to the law - if going slightly over is your line stick to that line. Just try to be safe and nice.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

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> If little Sally runs out into the middle of the road and you cannot avoid her by slamming on the brakes, you were going too fast for conditions. That's an unreasonable standard. You may be driving too fast for conditions, but being unable to stop in time when something unpredictably enters the roadway is, by itself, neither proof nor definition. The average stopping distance for a passenger vehicle at 20 mph is 20…

The key is not to stop completely, it's to get down to a speed that's highly unlikely to be fatal to a pedestrian, 15-20 mph. So if you're on a street with obstructed sight lines, that means your max speed should be 15-20 mph.

Your just making stuff up. There will always be roads where objects obstruct sight lines and little Sally is going to get mowed down and killed because she screwed up and ran into the street when she shouldn't have.

I know there's the big hatred of cars here on HN, but in the real world NOBODY thinks that way. Accidents do happen and it's going to be fatal because the pedestrian screwed up.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#157
I think there are still so many aspects that need to be perfected and fixed by the automakers before these cars could be operated on public roads freely. I have just read an article at https://www.lemberglaw.com/self-driving-autonomous-car-accid... that talks about this. Hopefully car companies will think seriously about this.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

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>Driving at the speed limit is not slow. Yes it is, as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority goes ~5mph over and are constantly overtaking you.

It's amazing how in driving that selfish and dangerous behavior is the zeitgeist. I agree to disagree. If you may, try my style for no more than a week. See what it does for your mood. Be friendly on the road, stick to the law - if going slightly over is your line stick to that line. Just try to be safe and nice.

I don't understand why you conflate keeping speed with being aggressive. I can drive perfectly safely at 50mph just as I can at 45, with the added benefit of not creating a bottleneck.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#159
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Well, technically he doesnt have anything to learn, because he is right. The person behind him should always keep enough distance to stop according to the speed he is driving. The person who rear-ended him is in wrong and is responsible for the damages.

Slamming on your breaks when you don't need to and forcing everyone behind you to slam on their brakes to avoid hitting you is a bad idea. Smooth and predictable is safe.

Yeah, but you have to be following the car in front of you at a distance that takes into account your reaction time and the actual braking distance. This time, the guy slammed on his brakes because of a yellow light which is maybe not a good reason... but it could have easily been someone running the red light, some kid running out into the street after a ball, the car's wheel flying off, etc.

Re: Locals reportedly frustrated with Waymo's self-driving cars

#160

The worst type of drivers are the ones who go 20 under the posted speed and are overly cautious. It sounds odd but one driver who is too cautious may be OK for them but it makes everyone around them go out of their minds. Go with the flow.

Not going with the flow isn't just frustrating, it's dangerous.
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