Western media loves reporting on instances of rape, murder in India, China even though statistics reveal they are lower per capita than in the West. Hegemony in action.
Except in India it’s quite high and most go unreported.
Rideshare boycott sparked by murders in China
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Re: Rideshare boycott sparked by murders in China
#22Has anyone worked out what the base rate expectation of murder would be? I think I read in the FT that Didi has booked a few billion rides in that period. How many people (and women) would normally be murdered in cabs? The stories cited are obviously horrific and it sounds like Didi could have prevented them with a better system. But, I'd nonetheless be interested to know how safe this is to the alternative, and also…
The only related data that I (as a citizen, not insider) can found is in the annual report published by the local court, which basically just a statement on how many criminals the court have prosecuted, only a number, no detailed categorization.
I also searched for the "population" of the local prison, the only data I can found is inside a news article about prison location transfer published on the Ministry of Justice's website few years ago, which stated "All XXX prisoners are successfully transferred".
None of the data is reliable enough to calculate the real crime rate of our city, as the local and prison may also handle cases from other cities, vice versa.
Because of all that, the value of my little "research" is far less than having a small chat with a friend of mine who work for the local police department.
Maybe this also the reason of why rumours in China got it's charm.
Re: Rideshare boycott sparked by murders in China
#23Has anyone worked out what the base rate expectation of murder would be? I think I read in the FT that Didi has booked a few billion rides in that period. How many people (and women) would normally be murdered in cabs? The stories cited are obviously horrific and it sounds like Didi could have prevented them with a better system. But, I'd nonetheless be interested to know how safe this is to the alternative, and also…
People are boycotting not because there’s a higher chance of being murdered/kidnapped with Didi, but that the company was unresponsive, did not have proper procedure/policy for vetting drivers, and took way too long to get even basic info about the suspect driver.
What the stats say here, higher or lower, is moot. Because the issue is that Didi does not give a shit about passenger safety.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except in India it’s quite high and most go unreported.
It's 10x lower than the West. Do you think the number being unreported accounts for that order of magnitude?
The 'west' isn't JUST America.
But India is a country where honor killing, and the caste system are outlawed, yet, honor killing and discrimination by caste still exists outside of major cities.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s often political pressures on police departments to fix unpopular statistics, and not the actual issue. Most famously this leads Japanese departments to label difficult murder cases as suicides.
Excellent point. This is a prime example of how government intervention mucks things up by setting up relatively benign goals, but in practice leads to an outcome that is unchanged, or perhaps even worse. What if all Japanese citizens were allowed to carry guns out in the open? An armed society is a polite society.
Example: anthropologists believe that on the whole, more polite societies typically murder each other at a higher rate than less polite societies.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's 10x lower than the West. Do you think the number being unreported accounts for that order of magnitude?
Higher than the 'West' being what? In regards to 'intentional homicide'. America? Sure it's lower... UK, Australia, NZ? Nope it's higher. What about rape? Yup lower than America, again, but still higher than UK, Australia, NZ, etc. The 'west' isn't JUST America. But India is a country where honor killing, and the caste system are outlawed, yet, honor killing and discrimination by caste still exists outside of major c…
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> not rational If it could have been prevented, it is the right reaction. Besides, this is how China works most of the time. Pressure (boycot) on companies leads to results... or put them out of (nearly) business.
I believe that was my original point: Chinese officials will rely on didi to police it’s drivers, since having the police instead do that isn’t practical. But it winds up being worse than that, since if didi wasn’t around we would all be taking anonymous black cabs again.
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#28> So through suggestive ads hinting at hookups through driving, Didi pushed Hitch’s romantic possibilities. In a 2015 interview with the Chinese online portal NetEase, Ms. Huang compared Hitch cars to cafes and bars.
And:
> While it wasn’t obvious to female passengers that their drivers might want to hook up, the drivers knew. Until Didi deactivated Hitch, the car-pooling service allowed drivers to share comments with other drivers on the looks of their passengers, leading some male drivers to seek out the ones others had declared attractive.
Murder is very rare in China. Very few Western countries have a lower intentional homicide rate (America's is 8.5 times higher), and I believe other violent crime is similarly low.
(I hope this comment is okay.)
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe that was my original point: Chinese officials will rely on didi to police it’s drivers, since having the police instead do that isn’t practical. But it winds up being worse than that, since if didi wasn’t around we would all be taking anonymous black cabs again.
What is wrong with the usual cabs? Sure, slightly more expensive but reliable.
Re: Rideshare boycott sparked by murders in China
#30Has anyone worked out what the base rate expectation of murder would be? I think I read in the FT that Didi has booked a few billion rides in that period. How many people (and women) would normally be murdered in cabs? The stories cited are obviously horrific and it sounds like Didi could have prevented them with a better system. But, I'd nonetheless be interested to know how safe this is to the alternative, and also…
Yeah, that’s what companies do : look at the stats. And as long as stats say it’s rare enough, it’s not that bad. People are boycotting not because there’s a higher chance of being murdered/kidnapped with Didi, but that the company was unresponsive, did not have proper procedure/policy for vetting drivers, and took way too long to get even basic info about the suspect driver. What the stats say here, higher or lower,…
Didi intentionally setup the system this way to promote its rideshare as a hook up service for its drivers. When describing the service, its top management made it clear that such a service in which drivers and passengers are locked up in a moving car provides a "sexy scenario" and thus Didi must take the opportunity and try its best to promote such hook up experience.
It is not like Didi doesn't care much about passenger safety, Didi actively puts passenger into danger for its own financial gains and knowingly denied police intervention when its passenger was in danger.