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Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

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Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#131

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According to NASA [1], global sea levels have been rising at a fairly steady 3.2 millimeters per year since 1993. According to NOAA [2], the "relative sea level trend" in Miami Beach is 2.39 mm/year. At those rates, in 100 years, the sea will have risen about one foot, not six. 1: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ 2: https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/

Only if that rate remains steady, and it very well may not.

True. And some scientists believe that rate is accelerating, for example Steve Nerem et al:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180212150739.h...

That accelerating projection "has the potential to double the total sea level rise by 2100 as compared to projections that assume a constant rate -- to more than 60 cm instead of about 30".

Two feet instead of one. I still don't see where six feet is coming from.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#132

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>I remember when Katrina flooded New Orleans, lots of people were asking why rebuild the city when it almost certainly will flood like that again. And the answer was a simple, do you know how much it would cost to relocate everyone? I was working briefly with Halliburton during the Rita-Katrina time period. I think it might behoove you to take a more holistic look at this issue. I'll try to be visual in my explanatio…

> but the nutritional intake of children in Sub-Saharan Africa would be materially affected. Sorry for the dumb question but I don’t get the link between New Orleans and African children? I’m in the UK, so may be missing some common US knowledge?

New Orleans also serves as a very important agricultural port. A lot of the food grains we ship are being shipped from New Orleans. New Orleans is a large part of the reason that the American Midwest can feed the world.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#133

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Private insurance works for earthquakes and tornadoes.

Until a massive quake wipes out an entire region, at which point, the insurance carriers declare bankruptcy because they won't be able to pay off all the policies. And that is already factoring in the exorbitant premiums being paid and high deductibles on the policies. With tens of thousands of claims, home owners will get pennies on the dollar if they get anything at all.

Do you have insider knowledge or are you just expressing cynicism?

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#134

This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…

I am not sure it is reasonable for every article about the effects of climate change to start with the evidence that climate change is real. If you come to this article from the angle of "climate change is a myth", a single article from Bloomberg was never going to be the turning point in your belief anyway.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#135

This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…

According to NASA [1], global sea levels have been rising at a fairly steady 3.2 millimeters per year since 1993. According to NOAA [2], the "relative sea level trend" in Miami Beach is 2.39 mm/year. At those rates, in 100 years, the sea will have risen about one foot, not six. 1: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ 2: https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/

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Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

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Interestingly, the Miami housing market outlook for 2019 is excellent, in spite of this news. https://gordcollins.com/real-estate/miami-real-estate-foreca... It would appear that people who actually have skin in the game believe otherwise.

Markets are great for short term simple extrapolative prediction. At long term and/or non-continuous prediction they seem to have had significant failures.

It’s still the best predictive tool that we have as a species.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private insurance works for earthquakes and tornadoes.

Until a massive quake wipes out an entire region, at which point, the insurance carriers declare bankruptcy because they won't be able to pay off all the policies. And that is already factoring in the exorbitant premiums being paid and high deductibles on the policies. With tens of thousands of claims, home owners will get pennies on the dollar if they get anything at all.

Typically insurance companies buy insurance against this, it's called reinsurance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#138

This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…

> If you come at this from the angle of "climate change is a myth"

Is it really a fair critique to insist that articles must be written to make sense to people who believe the moon is made of green cheese? And that every couple hundred words written for the general public must be fully-cited?

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#139
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As much as it'd be great to just point a finger and say "You should of known better!", houses are the bulk of most folks assets and the last thing we need is to turn a few small cities worth of people into homeless refugees. So realistically they'll get a bail out so they can at least recover somewhat. It will still be a loss for them, it'll be a loss to everyone who pays taxes, but it's still better then the alterna…

Why? With this attitude, we'll keep building more vulnerable cities at the coast, effectively subsidizing doomed construction.

We shouldn't have unemployment, since people should just be saving enough money to make it through the hard times!

People as ends, not means. It's not ok to leave people starving in the streets as an example to others. Fight for laws to restrict building in flood plains, but don't abandon the forlorn.

Re: Miami Will Be Underwater Soon. Its Drinking Water Could Go First

#140

This article is kind of infuriating. Just bring the facts up and talk about them, instead of describing people. I think this is one of the more critical parts (along with the stuff about water supply getting contaminated): > Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates…

According to NASA [1], global sea levels have been rising at a fairly steady 3.2 millimeters per year since 1993. According to NOAA [2], the "relative sea level trend" in Miami Beach is 2.39 mm/year. At those rates, in 100 years, the sea will have risen about one foot, not six. 1: https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ 2: https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/

The rate of increase is increasing.

http://www.southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/wp-content/upl...

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