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Post by dang »

Osmanthus wrote: post #11
marcus_holmes wrote: post #6

Always find it amazing how strong the urge to authoritarianism is in Australia. You'd think we'd all be larrikins and chilled out on the beach inviting newcomers to the barbie. But no, we're apparently terrified of immigrants and love nothing more than the smack of firm leadership.

I think Australia received too many nationalistic Chinese, "They are not sending their best!" in Trump's voice, the best and brightest Chinese usually go to NA or EU, Australia is really the last resort as a Western country. These Chinese generally are rich kids who only want the foreign diploma, and stash family wealth away from China. So, good luck with that Chinese influence.

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Post by Semaphor »

philipov wrote: post #31
Semaphor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what FastMail alternatives are there to be recommended?

Maybe ProtonMail?

It's a decent alternative, but the lack of FIDO 2FA is somewhat disappointing.

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Post by Semaphor »

xamlhacker wrote: post #35
Semaphor wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what FastMail alternatives are there to be recommended?

I use Runbox. Interface is not as slick but service is excellent.

I mainly use the webclient, the interface for runbox is sadly atrocious (composing a mail even gave me a horizontal scrollbar)

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Post by btilly »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #6

Always find it amazing how strong the urge to authoritarianism is in Australia. You'd think we'd all be larrikins and chilled out on the beach inviting newcomers to the barbie. But no, we're apparently terrified of immigrants and love nothing more than the smack of firm leadership.

Yes. I was surprised to learn that Australia has taken the crown from England of being the go to choice for filing libel lawsuits.

Mind you they were helped by England passing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_Act_2013 to cut down on libel tourism. But it still isn't a crown that you particularly want to have.

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Post by chimeracoder »

robbiep wrote: post #36
emilfihlman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, why shouldn't you have guns? As a counterpoint, gun culture (sports and hunting) is really strong here in Finland. Removing people's rights to do what they want is infringing on freedom, and often for no real purpose.

There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up

> There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up

Civilians in the US are not allowed to own assault rifles either, and haven't for decades. There are a tiny number of assault rifles in civilians' hands that were first sold over 30 years ago and were grandfathered in, but they are absurdly expensive (due to their rarity) and are generally owned by collectors.

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Post by emptybits »

aldoushuxley001 wrote: post #23

Well that's dark. Unfortunately, I suspect Canada is not far from proposing a similar bill. Currently the federal liberals are working on an Anti-Foreign Interference bill that plans on clamping down on free speech in social media in a very serious way. Scary times, authoritarianism sneaks in.

Concerned Canadian here. You're referring to Bill C-76 (the "Anti-Foreign Interference" and/or "Election Modernization Act")?

Is there a good critical analysis (WRT free speech) of this bill you can recommend?

Text of bill is here: http://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-76/first-re...

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Post by DoubleCribble »

chimeracoder wrote: post #45
robbiep wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up

> There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up Civilians in the US are not allowed to own assault rifles either, and haven't for decades. There are a tiny number of assault rifles in civilians' hands that were first sold over 30 years ago and were…

Sure we can. It's the "A" in AR-15.

What you're probably thinking of is "automatic".

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Post by linuxftw »

If only there was some theory of government that limited the government's power.

Something that specifically granted powers to the government, and no other powers, so we wouldn't have to worry about this kind of stuff in the future when an ill-informed majority wants to make decisions for the rest of us.

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Post by amckinlay »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #6

Always find it amazing how strong the urge to authoritarianism is in Australia. You'd think we'd all be larrikins and chilled out on the beach inviting newcomers to the barbie. But no, we're apparently terrified of immigrants and love nothing more than the smack of firm leadership.

Migration policy really has nothing to do with this surveillance law.

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Post by cromulent »

chimeracoder wrote: post #45
robbiep wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up

> There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up Civilians in the US are not allowed to own assault rifles either, and haven't for decades. There are a tiny number of assault rifles in civilians' hands that were first sold over 30 years ago and were…

The terms are confusing for a non-American.

My understanding is that in the USA you can't buy a "fully-automatic rifle", which is what the rest of the world calls a machine gun. Nor can you buy an "automatic weapon" which is a gun that looks like an automatic rifle. You can buy a semi-automatic AR-15, which can shoot 45 rounds or so per minute.

As an Aussie, I'm also cool with not allowing people to have AR-15s. A round or two a minute should be enough for most people.

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